Celtic and the Irish Struggle

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I'm not even going to re-explain the whole thing again ....

 

Good, just post more vids

 

Thought it would be better to get the point across with some audio rather than text :icon_mrgreen:

My response to your other prior posts ...

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Would you like to answer my qestions?

 

Why can you not work it out for yourself? I think the killing of any civilians during any war is unjustified,but what I find despicable is the targeting of civilians drinking in a pub and calling it a legitimate target..Does that answer your question?

 

No ones going to deny the IRA did some despicable things, it was a war and if they didnt stand up and fight when they did the Nationalist population of the north would of been killed off significantly.

People were being picked off and burnt out of their homes with sectarian police forces and governments stamping on them at every oppourtunity, whatever you say about bombings (regardless of financial targets I would never condone a bomb in a public place theres just too much danger) the IRA stood up and took the war to the oppressors.

Gone mad off topic but my point is that the southern attitude of our violence was ok but theirs wasnt is just nonsense.

 

Killed support for armed struggle and destroyed the republican movements chances of building popular support. Mi5 done their job.

 

So it is only the death of civilians drinking in a pub you find despicable. As you suspected I had already worked out that you would place greater value on the lives of the English public. Those Irish civilians who died during the war of independence dont really matter because they will not reflect on how the English fans think of us.

 

I have a question for those that have stated their opposition to the IRA's armed campaign.

In your mind was the allied war effort against Hitler and * Germany invalidated by the bombing of Dresden by the RAF and the USAAF wherein over 20,000 German civilians were killed?

 

Some historians think it was up to 200,000 civilians.

The IRA done a better job at avoiding civilian casualties than the British army.

 

No, but the killing of that many people cannot, and should not, be justified.

 

There is a problem here(on this forum) and in Ireland where people laud one set of volunteers who fought a war in which civilians were killed while condemning the modern equivalent because civilians.

In modern war it is almost inevitable that civilians will get killed. Does this make it justifiable? No.

It is my belief that the IRA during the War of Independence were much more ruthless than the modern day equivalent. I also believe that had they the means the old IRA would gladly have brought the war to Britain. I cannot see that they would have let civilian death get in there way when it did not prevent them on their own native soil.

 

Not sure if serious?

 

Wow just wow... What in the name of * have English fans got to do with any of this? I care less about the English Premier league fan boys which I presume is what you are referring to than anything I can think of?? And don't try and put words into my mouth Thank you very much..

The RA have nothing got to do with Celtic FC...

 

You clearly know Fk all about the Omagh case and enquiry into it?

Go and read up on it.

 

I know MI5 didn't plant the Omagh bomb

 

Celtic supporters have traditionally supported the Irish nationalist movement and the national aspirations of their [the Irish] community. Many have also supported the use of armed struggle in the attempt to secure the independence and freedom of the Irish nation. Today such people, who have always formed a large part of the Celtic support, are penalised by the law, the club and society.

The IRA has everything to do with Celtic FC because the support and community which Celtic FC exists in is concerned with the IRA and the Irish political situation.

 

Clearly haven't a clue what the vast majority of the "Irish community" feel about the "RA" .

Give me examples linking Celtic FC with the RA.

 

So you know what the vast irish community feels about the RA then?

What was it said about a guerilla movement, the only way that they can become successful is with major support from their communities. So in saying that, I don't think there was many people in the local communities out fighting the "RA", or even at that actively opposing the "RA" as supplying information to the British Forces. Other than your typical measly dog informant that had no integrity or dignity! How come the "RA" had actually quite significant quantities of memberships and suspected memberships throughout their armed campaign. Sounds to me the evidence clearly points in the favour that they did have and probably still have major support in the irish communities.

 

You don't like the IRA,we get it.You're effectively putting your fingers in your ears now though,read Norths post,look at the songs on that record,see Michael Davitt etc....there's a history of support for Irish Republicanism that you're simply refusing to recognise because of your disapproval of the RA's actions (after 69).