Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

First and foremost I find it really hard to pin the blame on Rodgers. We all know why this has got to this stage.
However, his stubbornness and ego is seriously starting to * me off. Stevie * wonder could see that Cal now needs more help in the middle but changes nothing. I’m sure 95% of us on here has now called for a 4-2-3-1 as that’s the formation that suits a lot of these players. So why can we see that but the elite can’t? He’s been royally * but we also can’t just sit here and watch that every week. There’s not one bit of fight in that side. That’s very concerning

 

Rodgers said himself he's not the 'right man' to 'maintain' the club. Currently we aren't even doing that.
He's in last 7 months of his contract with no sign of a new offer, that apparently he's suddenly now interested in?

He can't possibly be totally motivated, despite his words.
It's human nature, just like Maeda isn't giving 100%.
subconsciously any normal person starts to switch off when unhappy or feeling badly treated or know are leaving anyway.

Then there's the ego and stubbornness.
He continues to choose players that are obviously not the best available to him, being a slave to his systems, philosophies, not his signings or being a nice guy etc.
Like putting a raw youngster in away in a crucial top of table clash instead of an established international.
And that's just Donovan - never mind Murray.
Trusty's absence is the biggest mystery in football, solid (former)international, brilliant in UCL cost us £6M but left out because of the so called 'balance' playing two left footed CB's - seriously?

Then there's the substitutions.
Consistently subs guys on for the sake of it - Tounetki off for Balikwisha was bad, but taking you top scorer and most dangerous player in Nygren off was criminal.
The leaving Murray and Donovan on when having a mare when you got 3 experienced international defenders on the bench.
Murray caused/contributed to all 3 hearts goals but somehow he finishes the game. Explain that one?

Is he now simply spitting the dummy and trying to preserve his own reputation (somehow?) with his 'woe is me' and 'Honda civic' bullshit?
Look how tough it is for me, look at these pish players I have to put into the team, look at at how they can't follow my instructions, look at that big bad bad hearts mob who play long balls against my poor wee, young defenders.

Overall, he reminds me of when he first returned - talked out of a years sabbatical to rejoin and then starts like he simply can't be arsed.
'I coach what I'm given' was a huge red flag.
When it started to go wrong, he got the finger out for a year and a half but he's now simply switching off again.
Does he actually want be sacked?

That attitude and body language spreads to players and the team become reflection of the manager.
Lacking drive, motivation, positivity and creativity - as we have been for the last 30 or so games.
Something has to give here, hoping Rodgers is getting an absolute rocket from someone upstairs.
Not sure who that would actually be right enough - laughable in of itself.

I wouldn't sack him - yet...he still has some credit in the bank
but he's sailing very, very close to the wind.

 

A caretaker probably isnt the way to go for me unless they are prepared to write off the season. The squad needs investment in january and you dont really want an caretaker to be part of that process. We bring a caretaker in and its prob just going to be loan deals in Jan or a few bargain basement options.

Rodgers is, realistically, in the last 6 months or so of his time at Celtic anyway. So succession planning needs to start now. Its now a case of whether it makes sense to accelerate the process and bring somebody new in earlier rather than for the Summer.

I would give Rodgers the next 4 or 5 games to see if he can turn things around. With the form and momentum Hearts have plus our injury list - Tynecastle was always going to be a tough game. But there wont be the same level of mitigation for failing to get past Rangers in the cup or beat the likes of Falkirk and St Mirren. If we cant navigate those games with victories I think its difficult to make a case for Rodgers seeing out the additional 5 or 6 months on his contract.

 

I mentioned this on another thread, but turning on Rodgers is playing right into the board’s hands.

They knew they just had to fluff a meeting and wait until we turn on Rodgers and that’s what we’ve done.

I’m not a Rodgers fan but any attention on him is by definition a win for the board.

Focus on the board or nothing will change and you’ll be watching Yang or a Yang equivalent line up for us against the Huns in September 2027 after we sell Tounekti for £11.5m to a German team. You’ll only have yourselves to blame for focusing on the manager and ignoring to root problem.

 

100% agree that main issue is board and that should be ongoing focus.
I'm sure/hope the Celtic collective will not be adding Rodgers to the grievance list either.

However, that does not make Rodgers immune from criticism.
He should be getting much more from what he has.

 

Are there people on here who believe that Rodgers is deliberately not giving 100% so he gets sacked before Christmas? Like, self-sabotage?

In the not too distant future, you can rest-assured that Rodgers's tenure will be looked back on in awe and regarded as halcyon days.

 

Don't know how there can still be folk completely absolving him of any blame.

Anyway, from boardroom to backroom, to playing staff to scouting and youth development, the full club needs heavily invested in. Apart from the celtic way, lennoxtown and barrowfield, the neglect is off the charts and it looks like it's all came home to roost this season. Everyone going on about hearts might well be justified. If they can keep up form and that new owner keeps a keen interest, thy could be one of the dominant forces in this country for the forseeable unless we start acting like a club of our size.

 

I dont think turning on Rodgers is playing into the boards hands.

The worse the team does, the more pressure that comes on the board. The way the board have got away with their approach for as long as they have is because we keep winning domestically. As long as that happens they largely get off the hook.

Its only when the team starts to unravel domestically that they really start coming under real fire. So they have no interest in seeing the team do poorly.

I think most fans acknowledge the board is the main problem, and protests and collectives has been set up to that effect. Ironically the biggest threat to the momentum for change would be the team actually turning things around and winning the league again. Thats probably what would cause the board protests to lose momentum. So Im sure thats what the board want. Wins on the park to keep dissatisfaction from boiling over and another title at the end of the year that they can stand over and tell us that they told us so.

Rodgers is a victim of the boards incompetence. But in the areas that he can influence and add value hes not excelling this year. A change of approach was needed to deal with the circumstances and hes not really looked capable of adapting to that. Unfortunately its no easy thing getting rid of the board. We are stuck with them for now. Rodgers is basically gone as far as I can tell. Whether its now or in 6 months. So given how the team is performing I think its a fair conversation to be had as to whether it makes sense to accellerate Rodgers exit in order to try and salvage this season.

 

I could say this on every player forum

Its not the players fault, its Rodgers.

He has changed from memory at least three players this season from their natural play to his style.

When Nygren came in I was excited by his running and energy. Thats gone, apart from one run away in Belgrade

Tounetki. He isnt the same player now as he was in the first few appearances. Doesnt go past players, turns back comes inside most of the time, and seems to be the first every time to be replaced.

And dont mention Inamura. We were all encouraged by his energy and drive in his first few appearances..

And what are we lacking at the moment in our performances.

Yep and it can only be down to the training/ tactics the manager is encouraging them to do.


Even yesterday Cal Mac in the first half had drive and energy. So what, Hearts put a man on him. FFS we had three in there to there two. Again its BR job to adjust and change.

Its on his head.

 

As much as i have no faith in the board taking care of the club, i have as low faith in them doing the right thing sacking him.

But if he lose vs the huns which i am pretty certain he will. Will the board sack him?

 

I believe if the Huns were to beat us next week the board won't sack him as they hate him that much they don't want to pay him off and Rogers won't resign as he doesn't get his compensation and we have a mini war between Rogers and the board and the fans who will suffer and this * show will run to the end of the season.

 

Pretty much this i fear. But if the fans turn on Rodgers heavily, they might see that as a chance to gain some bonus points with the support. Not that it would work ofc.

Both are slimey snakey *.

"I have never been more motivated" lol. He have since long made his mind up he is off.

 

Hard to see how he really turns this around with our lack of quality, options and leaders now..

 

A question that will haunt the club for years is how can Celtic lose the league to a average hearts team with £80 million sitting in the bank and having to play Johnny Kenny up front and Murray at centre half it's * unacceptable and scandalous

 

Agreed. We've actually improved in our last 2 games. Against Hearts we created 2 clear chances and scored one of them and their keeper made a good save for the other one. Hearts created 0 clear chances and we gifted them 3 goals - unnecessary OG, unnecessary penalty and 3 players failing to block a long range shot with one of them jumping out the way and dummying the keeper.
We've to play Hearts 3 times - twice at home. We can catch them.
Having said all that I'm still not a fan of Rodger's style of play but he's definitely got them playing some more long passes and trying to get the ball forward quicker.
Hopefully it can be turned around.
The injuries won't help though.

 

People need to calm down. He's here til the end of the season and if this is our * patch in the season so be it, would rather have it now than later.

January we strengthen, players back from injury and we go again. Confident he will deliver.

 

Janaury.. so your taking well into Feb to settle.. its oct. Let's pretend Nov thats still nearly 4 months. League could be completly gone. Its already 8 points.

 

I think it is natural when people are unhappy and emotional at work, it reflects on their performance. Especially when their job has a large degree of problem solving and motivating others. Its not self sabotage or anything like this, its pretty normal.

 

I posted a separate thread about this but we are too sensitive to losing or feel threatened by having a consistent challenger. I expect it as we have one nearly everything on offer domestically for a decade and a half. If you think hearts are going on an invincible style run then maybe you are right. Odds of that are unlikely. Which makes it open to us putting up a fight

 

This reminds me of when the huns sacked van bronckhorst. Sacked after a poor run of form with no respect given to previous results, an injury crisis, misuse of funds by the * running the club etc.

If Rodgers goes we will be looking at the same calibre of managers as the huns were the other week. Probably getting knocked back just as much as them too.