Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

He might well do; give it some more time.

 

Hatate is a decent LB- done it in Japan.

 

It's definitely Rodgers unpicking everything Ange created because he is a narcissist, it is never his fault, he entered Parkhead, saying he had inherited a great squad, but as soon as Kilmarnock knock us out of the cup, he suddenly needs "quality in the door" how does that sound to a treble winning squad listening to that?
One simple question for everyone, if we had appointed someone else and they had exactly the same results and effects on style of play, would we be screaming for them to be sacked and admit we got it wrong, or would we happy to back the new manager in January? I personally suspect we would all be screaming sack the new manager.

 

If a rookie manager joined and had us top of the league with the injuries we have had along with the appalling recruitment, he wouldn’t be on thin ice at all in my opinion.

 

We wouldn’t give that manager the funds though. This is the main reason we are in such a mess just now. Because we didn’t back the current manager in the summer. We brought in dross. The root of the problem are our board.

 

So we’ve to sack Rodgers after not backing him in the summer. To then have to pay him off, then spend money on bringing in a new manager, who we would then need to give money to allow him to sort out the squad as it’s a mess due to the board not backing the previous manager. I don’t think people are thinking this through.

 

How much will it cost us if we keep him and win nothing - which is likely.

 

He's done nothing to suggest he's anywhere near either of them.

Conte has won two league titles in Italy and the EPL. Emery is a serial winner in Europe. Rodgers dominated Scottish football with, what was at the time, the best and richest team in the country by far and won a trophy with Leicester (great achievement but hardly unthinkable).

If we're talking about 'rungs', then Rodgers would be a couple below those guys.

 

And bringing in a new manager who won’t be backed who would probably win nothing would cost more. Chickens are coming home to roost after the summer transfer window. If the board act competently in January we will still win the league.

 

Then he's just not a good manager any more. We binned Deila because what he said wasn't matching what he delivered. Rodgers then was an upgrade on him, and delivered what he promised. Now, he isn't.

 

If he is still a top manager he will stop the excuses and squeeze as much as he can out of the current squad until Jan.

He says player development is his biggest strength yet we’ve seen a lot more regression than progression since he returned.

He’s had 4 months to work with the likes of Holm, Bernardo and Lagerbielke to develop them and get them first team ready and he’s failed.

Kyogo, Hatate, Johnston, Taylor to name some have went backwards under his management. 4 players who thrived in Ange’s system.

He needs to start finding solutions and a system / style that is going to get the most out of the players he has infront of him.

Because if he drops any more points between now and Jan, he will be under severe pressure from the stands. I can’t stand to watch another few weeks of the football he’s been servicing up. Something has got to change and it’s up to him - the highest paid Celtic manager in history - to start earning his money.

 

We have good players. The only irreplaceable player we lost in the summer was Jota and we made a reasonable attempt at it when we got Palma. Starfelt was good but no better than Scales has been this season. Mooy was good but not an essential part of the team.
The main difference between this season and last is the manager.

 

I couldn't agree more with this.

 

Not sacking Rodgers if it continues to go downhill is just falling into the sunk cost fallacy. The way we have eradicated our own lead is disgraceful.

 

Rodgers last 4 windows. Hendry, Bain, Compper, Morgan, Musonda, Gutman, Toljan, Bayo, weah, Burke, Berkovic, mulumbu, schved, arzani, izaguirre, Morgan, nawrocki, lagerbielke, Palma, holm, Yang, tilio, Kwon, Phillips, bernardo

Rodgers last 66 league games since first loss at Tynecastle.
16 without scoring - almost 1 in 4
27 scoring 1 or less
30 games failed to keep clean sheet

41 pts in 20 games
63 pts in 27 games
42 pts in 18 games

146 in 65 =2.2 per game on average
86 pts. Projected

 

Starfelt was absolutely streets ahead of Scales. Look, Scales has done well this season, he isn’t good enough for the level we really need to be at though. That’s the reality of it. He has been given an opportunity after we got wrecked with injuries at the start of the season, and fair play to him.

Name our good players we have and how many have been fit this season. Have a bash at it. The squad is honking.

I done it earlier in the McGregor thread I’m sure it was. I think I had about 12 or 13 boys on it who aren’t good enough in my opinion. Most have had to either start games or they have been our options from the bench this season.

If you had taken Hatate, Jota, Starfelt, Abada, Mooy, CCV, (for a lot of games), Maeda (for a lot of games), and he had the same options as we do just now, it would have been a riot as well. We saw how it went when we changed things up at the end of last season. Albeit the league was done. We still went to Ibrox and got absolutely annihilated though, and that is not a meaningless game.

 

While I kind of agree, I also have to say, I have no idea what he's trying to do. We're playing without any identity, it's bland, it's boring and it's ineffective. He's regressed the team massively. He doesn't even play our best striker in his best position..that's some proper bad management in itself there. And some of his subs have been proper weird. I personally have no confidence that he can buy in and transform us, that's the issue I have. And if we hand the £50m to the blue tarts, he'll be sacked anyway. If a man of his 'experience' can't even play our best striker in his best position, then he's a moron. The more I think about it, the more I'm done with him now...and I've been very easy going on him until now..even though I never wanted him back.

 

I want him to succeed, as I do with any Celtic manager, but he needs to be man enough to admit this isn't working and look to play to the strengths of the players he's got.

If he can't do it, or is too arrogant to change his his ways, it'll not end well for anyone.

 

I can understand why people are angry with what they’re seeing. I’m * furious as well. I just think it’s hard to be too hard on Rodgers because I was fuming in the summer with our business and knew it wasn’t good enough. Then when you add in the number of injuries to key players we’ve had, I don’t think it’s a massive shock. If we had a good summer window, which there was no reason for not given the finances, we would have had a squad to cope with the injuries. We are relying on players that shouldn’t be here, either through bad recruitment, or the player still being here when he shouldn’t.

I just think the lesser gamble would be to actually back him in January. By then we should also have our key players back also. If a new manager comes in, they will still need money in January. Because the recruitment over the past 18 months has been a disgrace.