Benefit cheats

Some people have to do thing to make ends meet for instance I no people who had to claim they were separated just to get a extra 60 a week. When you have a family and bills to pay it needs to be done. Especially in time like this when you can't get a job no matter how hard you try.

 

Thats the point i think, the benefits system benefits the cheats who know themselves they don't want to work and the system cheats those who are trying to get work but can't.

 

It really is wrong. I used to make more when I was on benefits than I did when I was working a full time job. I was entitled and as soon as I started uni and work I was taken off them, and rightly so.
You actually get stories of young girls leaving school with the sole intention of getting pregnant as the can get a flat and benefits. It's just not right. Especially when honest hard-working folk like you and your partner get no help at all.
I thought if there was one thing that this governement would have done was sort out the benefit system. It's not right and holds back quite a lot of people whio genuinely need help.

 

You never pay 50%, you only pay 50% on earnings OVER £150,000, same as the 40% rate is only on earnings over £40,000. Whilst your right many rich people won't use state run schools or hospital's, they do still use roads, access to emergency services etc.

I think sean souths point is the thing that should be seen to. The single mother mentioned there gets far too much, just because she is a single mother, whilst honest people, the people who have actually paid into the system, get very little.

 

so we'll just let the single mother and her bairn starve will we?

reading this thread is * depressing. Even Scotland's turning blue it seems

 

You wouldn't starve on £1,000 a month. THat's 12 grand a year without tax.
That is more than some full time workers. Hardly fair is it?

The mother might have to go without certian luxuries to feed and clothe her bairns, but a grand a month just because you've got kids is unjust. And mind that would be rent paid as well. So where does that all go? Bet it's no all on the kids.

 

We should just round up everybody on benefits, put them up against the wall and have all of them shot.

Problem solved.

 

This is just my opinions of what I think about benefits. If you don't like it then that's your choice. I'm only talking about those who are taking advantage of the system. I have a right to an opinion at the end of the day. My sources are not national news papers or tv, i used to deal with these people in a * daily basis, they may only be a minority, but it's enough to * the system for everyone else.

 

No, just the system should be fairer, using sean souths story as just one example. Just because I think people shouldn't rely on benefits to live (notice I said rely not need) doesn't make me blue/right wing/whatever brush you want to paint me with.

 

We aren't asking for a lot. We would like some help with childcare to allow my partner to go back to work and to make it worthwhile. We have paid taxes for years and continue to do so. Is help with childcare so much to ask? Have people to stop having children? These are the future tax payers after all. Myself and my partner have already decided we will only have one child. The sole reason for this is the cost. We just could not afford 2 children because of childcare costs.

The way things are, my partner would be better off leaving me and stopping working.

That way she would get everything going. That is how crazy the system it.

There is less financial incentive to stay together as a couple and actually work.

Believe me, i have put it into the government benefits calculator and my partner would earn a lot of money in benefits if she was by herself.

I have no problem with people in genuine need being on benefits but when i see so many young single mothers who have never worked a day in their lives (and there are countless where i live) doing nothing but take take take when working people like ourselves get no help at all, it makes me sick to my stomach.

Some people say that single mothers get a bad rap. I have no doubt some do. I have no doubt some end up in that position through no fault of their own but i know, personally, loads of them who have kids to almost any * out there and quite happily sit on benefits being a "full time mum" whilst the rest of us have to graft to keep them!

The particular girl i was talking about before, her first child was becoming age for nursery. The DSS were at her to start looking for a job. What do you know? A few months later she was pregnant again to the same guy who fathered her first child, even though they were split up and she on many occasions said he was an *.

Maybe i am cynical but it looked a deliberate attempt, to me, to maintain the lifestyle she was leading on benefits.

Let's not make the mistake of thinking they are all hard up here.

This is a girl who lives pretty * comfortable. Eating out often. Buying * and scratchcards all the time and recently went on a trip to Australia.

I've never been abroad in my * life and i am 30.

 

Kids cost a lot of money. Yes it is fair. The fact it is more than some workers just means that some workers aren't being treated fairly. It's not ok to lash out at a single mum because companies don't pay workers fairly.

 

If that is not a joke, then you, i'm afraid, are

That's exactly what is wrong. She shouldn't be going to Australia, buying *, eating out if she is on benefits. Benefits should be there to help people survive, not be an easy ride

 

Starve? Are you having a laugh? Buying *, scratch cards, eating out all the time.

Starve?

What about the working people? If it get's any worse we will be the ones * starving!

Give them * food vouchers then! I will happily take food vouchers too! Anything that will help us with our child.

How many people on the dole do you think would take food vouchers?

I would take childcare vouchers because that is what we genuinely need help with.

How many people on the dole would accept vouchers of any kind?

What do we do with single mothers who have never worked in their life and continuously keep getting pregnant?

No one is saying they should starve but perhaps it would be a good idea to cut the amount they get and give some to the working people who need a helping hand?!

FFS not only do the work shy get everything going, they even have people having a go at the working people who dare to question the morality of it!

 

I bet you were nothing but helpful to them

 

Out of curiosity, would you class this woman as British? Would shut up a few on here who go on about immigrants and benefits

 

Yeah, very helpfully to someone who actively seeks to cheat the system. What are you? A maverick Benefit cheat or something?

 

Exactly!

Why don't we go down the route of shopping vouchers for the essentials?

The fact is, we wont. That was plain to see when i saw the start up "money" for unemployed and single mothers. I am paraphrasing but it says, although the 500 pounds is essentially to help buy a cot etc You can spend it on whatever you like and you don't have to tell what you are spending it on.

* *!

 

THis is what I mean. A friend of mine had a baby at 16, the dad left when she was pregnant. But she was lucky enough to have a family to help out while she went to college and uni. So your right, not every single mum is out their for hte benefits.
But I know plenty of lassies who's "career" plan was to get pregnant, get a flat paid for and live on the social. Its just plain wrong and let's face it, not giving their baby the best start with such an atittude.
The system is hugely flawed and is in desperate need of shaking up.

I can only wish you luck and hope the financial straints won't be too much of a hinderence to your child.
Good luck to you mate

 

Of course it was a joke.

 

It makes me so angry mate. You think to yourself, what the * am i working for here?

But i would feel completely useless without a job. I would also feel that i wasn't setting a good example for my child.

As hard is it will be, i have morals and we will manage somehow.

It just irks me that these people can happily sponge from everyone else and call themselves "good mothers".

Yeah, great example.

I wouldn't mind so much if they were actually intending to better themselves, studying or actively seeking work. The problem is, those people are few and far between.

There are just too many who become comfortable on benefits and that is what's wrong. They will end up with a severe wake up call when or if they do ever start working and they can't depend on the state anymore.

No one will ever convince me that most of the people on benefits actually need them because my own personal experience says otherwise.

Like i say, i have no problem with the genuinely in need getting help, but people who are obviously not willing to work and who are obviously using the system to their advantage by having child after child with no means of supporting them, deserve less.

In the meantime, people in my position are actually the worst off. Not because we have less money. But because we have to work for little and in some occasions NO more, than some of these people are bringing in on benefits.

That's the real scandal.

Thanks for the best wishes. Appreciate it.