are arsenal bigger than us

get tae * ya bent * if your gonna start all that pish then get off our forum

 

Please learn how to post and multi-quote properly, some of these posts are a dogs breakfast and a nightmare to follow.

Anyone who doesnt comply will have their posts edited to read :
"I concur, Glasgow Celtic are indeed the bigger club!"

Thanks in advance

 

How do you measure the "bigness" of a football club? As a business, financially, Arsenal are much bigger obviously. In terms of their actual squad of players then they are bigger in that sense too. But in terms of history, tradition, fanbase and trophies then I'd say Celtic are bigger. I'd also say Celtic are more known about around the world too, but if the EPL continues to be the top domestic league then that could change. La Liga will probably take over soon though.

 

In my eyes Celtic are the biggest and best team in the world but unfortunatly in the eyes of other who follow European football will say we are a small club because we play in "Scotland"..........Sorry guys but thats the harsh reallity of it.

 

This is reality thank you for some unbias opinion in here. This is the point I have been trying to make the entire time. I have never denied Celtic have a large fan base and are big fish but in a small pond and have a strong history, but in terms of Football where the actual game is played in the modern era they are a small club. No denying top 2 club in Scotland no denying the fan base of a big club and no denying history but in terms of Football on a pitch against big clubs (including Arsenal) any win is an upset and 90% of neutrals would back the other top clubs for the win. The premier teams in the game have passed by Celtic in revenue and footballing just like they have Ajax and other top clubs from the generation gone by. Playing in a small market has no small role in that but thats life.

For the people that put it down to money do so all you want because results and revenue are linked, but revenue doesn't equal results you still have to be smart with money and play good football other wise Newcaslte would be in the EPL and Real Madrid would of been past the round of 16 at least once in the last 5 years. But people who deny that Celtic were one of the top revenue generating clubs in Europe until the last 10 years need only to go look back a few pages of revenue reports someone posted. Take into account Celtic 60,000 seater stadium being one of the biggest for a club in all of Europe for nearly 100 years before TV money meant much or existed and globalization was small so world wide shirt sale meant little therefore 90% of revenue came from gate receipts.

McNaka put two and two together and figure it out or call up Steua, Red Star, Fyenoord, and Benfica and go have your were bigger than Arsenal support group to vent because your arguements on here are disjointed and pure rubbish.

 

The only big thing Arsenal have over Celtic is DEBT.
Lose the sky money and the big debt can't be payed which would lead to no more Arsenal. :bbpd:

 

right so we're a big club with a * team we've established that :icon_mrgreen: but when are you guys gonna invites us into your league lol .

would you /the rest of the prem accept this

 

This post is a complete mess and shows your state of mind and nerd rage for what it is.
Let me recap some things for you...

1. 43 years isn't 50 years. You may need to repeat maths. You were tricked like a schoolboy child.
I only asked that question because I knew you'd throw the baby out with the bathwater, and you did. No real fan would deny their clubs' history for something so trivial.

2. Your assertion about the players in Celtics' tie against Arsenelle is plain wrong. I'm not going to go over it for you, but I'm sure anyone whose not an idiot can tell you which player came out of the youth system.
Not only that, but it's irrelevent. The "home grown" bit was only stated in relation to 1967, ManUre, and at Ajax. But in your permarage state of seeking approval from Celtic fans, you've lost the plot yet again.
Even then, at least it's predominantly a Scottish side. Celtic had the only Englishman on the pitch.

3. If by "constant results" you mean failing to win anything, please enjoy Aresnals' "constant results".

4. Love the lame attempts at character assassination. More begging for acceptance from a team you're claiming is beneath you!!

 

Looking at gunnerkados comments regarding Celtics team.
McGeady is home grown and he is Scottish , He has chosen to represent Ireland through his Grandparents being Irish.
Fox is still the only Englishman that was on the Park.

 

Is this still * going?

Have we not worked out who has the biggest * yet?

 

They are the biggest bunch of *.:icon_mrgreen: But the * contest continues.

 

The only * bigger than us is Derek Johnstone!

 

Nobody is forcing you to open this thread. You're just pissy because this has more views and attention than your youtube thread -- which you feel the need to continuously bump.
Nor is anybody forcing attention-desperate Gunners to come here and beg for respect from a club they claim is beneath them.

 

My mistake about Mcgeady I knew he represented Ireland so I thought he was Irish credit for that he was easily Celtic's best player in the first game I thought. I'm a supporter of Arsenal FC not England I'm not English and don't give a * about English footballers except those on Arsenal. Arsenal play in England but they aren't the English national team so why doesn't matter where players come from?

If your going to reply to any of this mesage please make it the the big question at the end if you want to say anything else so be it but I can't argue with you as your guage jumps all over the place.

1. You didn't tick me I kept touting history for 4 posts then you came out and said history means * and stated the begining of the EPL as time frame to look at so I did, re-read your own posts you clearly said history is * did you have your fingers crossed when you said that or something is that your school boy trick? So I said Arsenal were the second biggest in the time frame YOU chose not me read your own posts mate you specified that time period to look at. All I did was oblige your request to look at the EPL era instead of history that you called "worth *" <---your words.

A proper analogy to that isnt calling it a trick its the equivalent of you saying jumping of a bridge is smart and me saying well lets look at the history of people who did and then you saying history is * and jumping off the bridge so I jumped off too to say well lets see then. You got me to jump but you landed on your face and I still ended up on top.

Histories relavance depends on what were talking about battles fought, laws enacted, inventions made, have relavance over 100's of years but sports accomplishments not in my life time are nothing but a number on sheet of paper or a star on a jersey. If you weren't there to celebrate the glory it's just something for people to say we have but they were never a part of seeing it happen. Winning something is about the joy in the moment and the memory it creates not hoarding the fact that you did it 15 years before you were born and 30 years before you were a fan. All the European Cup win for most Celtic fans is something to brag about doing 40 years ago and a star on their jersey not the joy of the moment.

I bet I have more fond memories of Arsenal's run to a CL final loss than 95% of posters here do of a European Cup win 43 years ago. I still remember well Henry bursting through Real's defence to score a wonder goal and get a famous victory at the Bernebeu. The dominance of Arsenal over Juve in London and Camronesi actions going off and Vieria's reception. The nerves when the club went to Villareal up only 1 knowing how close we were to the final. Finally the heart break seeing Lehman getting a straight red in the final in 0-0 game only to see Arsenal take a lead but surrender 2 goals in the final 15 minutes it was heart break but memories and all fond except for 15 minutes. What memories do you have of famous Celtic nights everyone here talks about group league games when they talk about their memories I see none of big victories in the real run to the cup.

2. The 1 player you talk of is Mcgeady? Then can you name 3 players from your European squad than can attribute their success to Celtic more than Cesc (16), Bendtner(16), Clichy(17), Denilson(18), Song(18) can to Arsenal just three or is Celtic nothing but bought mercenary squad too?

3. I counter that with what has Celtic done better than Arsenal in the last ten years to make them more relavent today? If your constant results are being worse than a small club that doesn't "win anything" than whats that make Celtic?

4. I'm not begging for acceptance go and read my first post in this thread I already came to a conclusion who is biggest (incase your to lazy I said "it doesn't * matter"). Now all I'm doing is teaching a simpleton as charity effort to non Celtic fans around the world.


Please answer me does Inter meet your defintion of a big club back up your reasoning also are Red Star Belgrade a big club (yes or no will suffice but reasoning would help), and also are Benfica a bigger club than Celtic?

This is not a trick I just need a guage because your method for ranking a big club jumps all over the place so if you answer this I will know for sure if my arguement is pointless because Arsenal don't meet your * up guage or if you just use a special guage for Arsenal (as I suspect)

 

I'm not reading all the way back through this thread so will give a short summary of how I see Arsenal v Celtic:

1. Who is the better team? Obviously Arsenal. Why is this? Simple reason...money.

2. Who is the bigger club? Up for debate but imo Celtic. Part of what makes Arsenal big is the league they play in. Because they play in the Premiership they have worldwide exposure. When they make football programs or documentaries which are filmed in Africa or Asia all the young kids are playing football wearing either Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal strips(I'm just talking British clubs here I know there's Barca, Milan blah blah blah as well). If you stuck Celtic into the Premiership they would have that same worldwide exposure therefore when these programs were filmed in Africa or the Far East you would see Celtic tops just as much as you would see Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. The only thing making Arsenal seem like a bigger club is the worldwide exposure they have. Give Celtic that same level of exposure and in my opinion this would be a total non argument and a non contest.

 

Maybe it has something to do with Arsenal being an English team playing in the English league and the English Cup.

That's quite the fanciful imagination you have there. Too bad it's all imaginary hyperbole. I already described the 2 options you had in detail. Nice to see you'd rather post a bunch of imaginary crap instead of deal with the points made.

Translation: I am just a plastic Canadian that likes Arsenal because they are in CL every year.

Don't worry, I enjoyed that Final as thoroughly as you... watching Larsson dash Arsenals' dreams and almost-result got on diving and taking down Eto'o outside the box.

None of those came from Arsenal. They all came from other teams, that you head-hunted. Just because their parents had to go along with it doesn't make them any less mercenaries.

Celtic has managed their finances better and continue to get into CL and make an impact from time to time despite having hardships.

Your whole issue here is that you're desperate for Arsenal to get credit from Celtic. You don't see me go onto an Arsenal forum and throw a temper tantrum when you inevitably post things I don't agree with. I know what Celtic means to me and many others, I don't need your approval and I could care less about getting it.
That's the difference. You, and several of the other Gunners in this thread (not all of them though), are clearly desperate to get recognition from Celtic while simultaneously bashing us.
You're just spoiled bandwagoning glory-hunting children. You don't get any respect in EPL because they all know no matter how many years in a row you finish top-4 there or top-8 in CL you're just also-rans. And it drives you up a wall when you can't even get it from the first club in Britain to win the European Cup.

No matter how big you make the font, Benfica and Inter Milan have nothing to do with this topic. I don't know if you've noticed -- but the thread is about Arsenal and this is a Celtic forum.

Liverpool and ManU came up as examples of EPL clubs bigger than Arsenal. Ajax only came up to demonstrate Arsenals' mercenary ways and to provide an example of an undeniably Big Club that hasn't had results forthcoming in the last 10 years.

If you have some bullshit point to make regarding either of those teams, make it yourself.

 

What do I care its an international game with international players and international managers and international fans (you live where?). This isn't national football clubs if you are anti immgration join the BNP and re install protectionism.

Atleast 12/14 players that played for Celtic Tuesday weren't home grown talent we both are mercenary clubs then.

As for Finances

Arsenal's finacial management is light years ahead of Celtic's this is an argruement you can't win trust me. Don't mention debt either

New stadium increae in revenue = 45M
Debt princpal and interest repayment = 18M over 22 years

One of the two "detailed" options was paraphrased like this

"Make up your * mind either your * results from the 30's = * (my opinon)" - The my opinon part was your not mine I had defended History every post before that until you made that post. Not really balanced options.

Calling me plastic just proves your profiling (a little bit ethnic based on calling out my nationalty too) you know nothing about my devotion to my club or me as a person and has no relavance to debate and just shows pure ignorance.

You don't want rate Inter and Benfica fine then please:

State in plain English your definition or what makes a big club one that you will stick with and not change

It has changed 6 times its hard for me to hit your moving target when you don't want me to hit it.

 

Having 0 local players is a lot different than having a few internationals. I'm in favor of how Spain does it (minus the passport exchange silliness) -- 3 foreigner rule.
No matter how you put it, Arsenal is an English side. They just can't afford to play any Englishmen because -- as you say -- their finances are light years ahead.

Is that why Arsenal tried to head-hunt Lawwell?

Yes, you were trying to have your cake and eat it too. I'll debate either situation with you, and I've already told you how both will turn out.
However, you've ignored both of those in preference of trying to change the situation and attack me personally.

LoL! Typical oversensitive Canadian. If you can't handle a simple * contest and the give and take of a little banter on the internet... you should just go back to watching Canadian Football.

Already did that with your *-buddy who "wanted to have a reasonable debate" just 1 page back.

 

A nice wee bit of * on a sunday morning.

Celtic are bigger because they are a bigger worldwide product and we have more fans.

As for the finances, it was said that it'd be a financial nightmare should Arsenal not make the CL. But, Lawell has came out and said that not qualifying for the CL doesn't mean panic stations at Celtic and that we can still spend money without going into more debt. Arsenal are buying players and building stadiums on borrowed money.

Unfortunately debt has a big part in this. Arsenal are in £318m debt. If the banks had balls and called it in instead of asking the people (government bail outs) to pay for it, Arsenal would be no more, just like most of the big European clubs. Celtics debt is around £1m and could be paid off no problem if the banks callled it in.

History also has a huge part to play in it. The Scottish league hasn't always been * so Celtics trophy catalouge is impressive when you see what our teams up here done in Europe, i.e Aberdeen, Dundee United and THEM all winning European trophies. Celtic are bigger than Inter, Red Star and Benfica for the same reasons we're bigger than Arsenal. You don't find Arsenal pubs all over the world.

I would say there should be a 5 foreigner rule. If this was enforced which it won't because again of a lack of balls the EPL would crash. The top teams would buy the best of the English players from the smaller clubs and the smaller clubs would by off the wee'r clubs and a shift would happen. The Championship players would be the new EPL players. If it was a 3 foreigner rule and the banks called in the loans then it'd all be over for the EPL.

So going on history, finances, fan bases and hypothetical but realistic senarios it's all in Celtics favour.

It's all political as well. Scotland is in a pretty rough spot right now. If we had control of ourselves and our resources then we'd be in a position similar to Norway and our position would improve. But in this world England sell and spend all our resource money.