2015 General Election Discussion Thread

Aye sure, it was all the banks fault, the regulators should shoulder no blame at all, just as SOME people borrowed far too much money that they knew themselves they couldn't afford.
My statement of you being a lost cause was my polite way of saying "you are talking utter *" as you have no idea what you are claiming/defending regarding iron fist brown. Therefore I didn't see the point in continuing with this.
Final point, politics usually entails people with different opinions trying to convince people to vote/agree with their view, so you must be about the only person who sees it differently, it must be * for you

 

Aye sure, it was all the banks fault, the regulators should shoulder no blame at all, just as SOME people borrowed far too much money that they knew themselves they couldn't afford.
My statement of you being a lost cause was my polite way of saying "you are talking utter *" as you have no idea what you are claiming/defending regarding iron fist brown. Therefore I didn't see the point in continuing with this.
Final point, politics usually entails people with different opinions trying to convince people to vote/agree with their view, so you must be about the only person who sees it differently, it must be * for you

 

Well, neither of us know, and therefore we can't judge. At the time, UK banking regulations were pretty standardised in line with the rest of the world. Brown doing what he did has been well documented, enough so from reasonable sources that I actually believe it happened.

And yes you're right. In my opinion our voting system is *. I don't believe in canvassing. People shouldn't be talked into things, the way the country is run cannot be put into a 5 minute conversation on your doorstep or a poster or flyer. It's much more than that and people shouldn't be persuaded as to what way they should vote other than a detailed manifesto (white paper was a good idea, more parties should do it).

I'd change a lot about the way it's done. It's *. Why should I trust what anyone tells me? Be that politician, media, canvasser or man on the street.

 

Well, neither of us know, and therefore we can't judge. At the time, UK banking regulations were pretty standardised in line with the rest of the world. Brown doing what he did has been well documented, enough so from reasonable sources that I actually believe it happened.

And yes you're right. In my opinion our voting system is *. I don't believe in canvassing. People shouldn't be talked into things, the way the country is run cannot be put into a 5 minute conversation on your doorstep or a poster or flyer. It's much more than that and people shouldn't be persuaded as to what way they should vote other than a detailed manifesto (white paper was a good idea, more parties should do it).

I'd change a lot about the way it's done. It's *. Why should I trust what anyone tells me? Be that politician, media, canvasser or man on the street.

 

Can't believe Eddie Izzard imagine appearing in public with that cross dresser Murphy.:smiley-laughing002:

 

Can't believe Eddie Izzard imagine appearing in public with that cross dresser Murphy.:smiley-laughing002:

 

If Salmond (I'll use him as the example more than Sturgeon because he's older) wanted just political power he'd have joined Labour and rose through the ranks to gain a cushy seat that's voted the same way since voting began.

He chose to do things the hard way and stand up for what he believes in. The SNP were more or less a nothing party for so many years and Scottish independence was not even on the agenda, he's lead the party from the wilderness into governance and has done more for the cause of Scottish independence than anyone since the Bruce and Wallace..

 

If Salmond (I'll use him as the example more than Sturgeon because he's older) wanted just political power he'd have joined Labour and rose through the ranks to gain a cushy seat that's voted the same way since voting began.

He chose to do things the hard way and stand up for what he believes in. The SNP were more or less a nothing party for so many years and Scottish independence was not even on the agenda, he's lead the party from the wilderness into governance and has done more for the cause of Scottish independence than anyone since the Bruce and Wallace..

 

Thats exactly what Salmond wants. To be put in the history books and be mentioned in the same breath as Bruce & Wallace. He wants weans to be learning about him in 500 years time as the man who set Scotland free from the shackles of Westminister. He wants his name in lights. If the common man in Scotland actually thinks he gives two flying * about them, then they are plain and simply wrong.

Him and Sturgeon are teetering on facism and it's dangerous what they are creating. Not far off UKIP for me, just the other side of the spectrum. Facism is a form of nationalism after all. It's scary as * if you ask me.

 

Thats exactly what Salmond wants. To be put in the history books and be mentioned in the same breath as Bruce & Wallace. He wants weans to be learning about him in 500 years time as the man who set Scotland free from the shackles of Westminister. He wants his name in lights. If the common man in Scotland actually thinks he gives two flying * about them, then they are plain and simply wrong.

Him and Sturgeon are teetering on facism and it's dangerous what they are creating. Not far off UKIP for me, just the other side of the spectrum. Facism is a form of nationalism after all. It's scary as * if you ask me.

 

I agree with you to an extent. I think UKIP and the SNP differ on some things, but their fuel and their plank to mass mobilisation arr the same; the economic recession, and the deep-seated anger felt towards "the establishment". These are features that are found throughout Europe; France with La Pen, in Greece with Chorizo, or whatever they're called, in Hungary with the Orban government, in Italy, even the Nordic countries have swung dangerously to the right. In all these countries the reaction is the same. People are blaming and focusing their frustration on the other: the English, the foreigners, the immigrants, the asylum seekers. In England's case its the EU. In Scotland's case its England. The danger is that Scotland can't seem to extract itself from this reasoning and look at the big European picture. It is not unique, it is reactionary. Ultimately it all feeds poisonous logic of nationalism.

Scottish nationalism has an extremely dangerous potential given its long cultural legacy and its valorisation of medievalism. It should be used sparingly, but Sturgeon and Salmond wield it like a child who has just found his fathers gun. There is now a mentality, with some, not all, that is becoming more potent, and taking on obsessive ethnic nationalism. Their sole pursuit in life is to this cause. I find it alarming. I have been an advocate of the left my whole life; Palestinian rallies, more power along the lines of FOI, anti-war marches; electoral reform; protection of the NHS; greater job security. Suddenly, with nationalism I am being TOLD what to think. The alarm bells went off.

 

I agree with you to an extent. I think UKIP and the SNP differ on some things, but their fuel and their plank to mass mobilisation arr the same; the economic recession, and the deep-seated anger felt towards "the establishment". These are features that are found throughout Europe; France with La Pen, in Greece with Chorizo, or whatever they're called, in Hungary with the Orban government, in Italy, even the Nordic countries have swung dangerously to the right. In all these countries the reaction is the same. People are blaming and focusing their frustration on the other: the English, the foreigners, the immigrants, the asylum seekers. In England's case its the EU. In Scotland's case its England. The danger is that Scotland can't seem to extract itself from this reasoning and look at the big European picture. It is not unique, it is reactionary. Ultimately it all feeds poisonous logic of nationalism.

Scottish nationalism has an extremely dangerous potential given its long cultural legacy and its valorisation of medievalism. It should be used sparingly, but Sturgeon and Salmond wield it like a child who has just found his fathers gun. There is now a mentality, with some, not all, that is becoming more potent, and taking on obsessive ethnic nationalism. Their sole pursuit in life is to this cause. I find it alarming. I have been an advocate of the left my whole life; Palestinian rallies, more power along the lines of FOI, anti-war marches; electoral reform; protection of the NHS; greater job security. Suddenly, with nationalism I am being TOLD what to think. The alarm bells went off.

 

My wife has said before the referendum that she was going to vote in the general election but after the way the Scots were denigrated in England by all the Westminster parties leading up to the vote she says that it's not worth voting for any of them.
Only if SNP had a candidate down here, she said, then she would vote for them.

 

My wife has said before the referendum that she was going to vote in the general election but after the way the Scots were denigrated in England by all the Westminster parties leading up to the vote she says that it's not worth voting for any of them.
Only if SNP had a candidate down here, she said, then she would vote for them.

 

Preach fam.

That's not what I said at all, that's just what the SNP have programmed you to think when anyone criticises them.

 

Preach fam.

That's not what I said at all, that's just what the SNP have programmed you to think when anyone criticises them.

 

It's quite disturbing how many union jack flag waving unionists we seem to have in the Celtic support these days.

 

It's quite disturbing how many union jack flag waving unionists we seem to have in the Celtic support these days.

 

Have you ever thought that it might go beyond that? I dont give a * about my heritage. Or anyones heritage or any flag whatsoever, be that Scottish, British, Irish or * the Democratic Republic of Congo for that matter (apologies for any Congolese people on here, not personal). There is absolutely no point in being proud of heritage. All that does is harm.

I care about people.

 

Have you ever thought that it might go beyond that? I dont give a * about my heritage. Or anyones heritage or any flag whatsoever, be that Scottish, British, Irish or * the Democratic Republic of Congo for that matter (apologies for any Congolese people on here, not personal). There is absolutely no point in being proud of heritage. All that does is harm.

I care about people.

 

And yet you think the abolition of Trident, scrapping the bedroom tax, stopping inevitable welfare cuts isn't "for the people"?

Who out there is offering anything close to what the SNP are offering the common man?

 

And yet you think the abolition of Trident, scrapping the bedroom tax, stopping inevitable welfare cuts isn't "for the people"?

Who out there is offering anything close to what the SNP are offering the common man?

 

I do agree with the abolition of trident, yes, but I also realise that we're in a huge deficit and there needs to be cuts. It's just a sad fact. Just because the SNP says they will not make any cuts, doesnt mean its a good thing. They will * it for future generations if they plan on just spending. We can't spend. You dont get out of debt by spending more money.

I know I'm going to get shot down for this, but if the SNP's main objective wasn't independance, I'd probably vote for them. I agree with a lot of their policies.

PS I usually dont vote, not because I cant be assed, but I dont think any of the parties properly represent my opinions. i.e. I'm not a Tory.

 

I do agree with the abolition of trident, yes, but I also realise that we're in a huge deficit and there needs to be cuts. It's just a sad fact. Just because the SNP says they will not make any cuts, doesnt mean its a good thing. They will * it for future generations if they plan on just spending. We can't spend. You dont get out of debt by spending more money.

I know I'm going to get shot down for this, but if the SNP's main objective wasn't independance, I'd probably vote for them. I agree with a lot of their policies.

PS I usually dont vote, not because I cant be assed, but I dont think any of the parties properly represent my opinions. i.e. I'm not a Tory.

 

One blames immigrants the other blames England and 'the establishment'. Just two sides of the coin. Both fannies of the highest degree and both just scaring people into voting for them.

Im sure some less than privileged towns in the north of England would love it if we gave trident to them. Think about how many jobs it creates and how that affects the local community. And its not going to * blow up, don't be a *.

The SNP want whats best for them and they even told their party members not to talk * about any other SNP member . What kind of dictatorship is that?

* that.

 

One blames immigrants the other blames England and 'the establishment'. Just two sides of the coin. Both fannies of the highest degree and both just scaring people into voting for them.

Im sure some less than privileged towns in the north of England would love it if we gave trident to them. Think about how many jobs it creates and how that affects the local community. And its not going to * blow up, don't be a *.

The SNP want whats best for them and they even told their party members not to talk * about any other SNP member . What kind of dictatorship is that?

* that.

 

Im a pacifist and therefore yes, want to scrap trident, but can see its benefits.

To an extent, but it spending carries a lot of risk when you're in a deficit.

And everyone knows that the SNP is run like a dictatorship. Even form the inside they are saying that. It's dangerous.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/345310/Salmond-runs-his-party-like-a-dictator

 

Im a pacifist and therefore yes, want to scrap trident, but can see its benefits.

To an extent, but it spending carries a lot of risk when you're in a deficit.

And everyone knows that the SNP is run like a dictatorship. Even form the inside they are saying that. It's dangerous.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/345310/Salmond-runs-his-party-like-a-dictator

 

I'm a party member and have been for a while lets say. No-one tells me what to say or think. I have been vocal in my opinion of Ms black for example. I have also, on various occasions, been at odds with fellow members/posters on here, despite us all being on the "same side", so how does that equate to a dictatorship ?
I will reply to your previous post later.

 

I'm a party member and have been for a while lets say. No-one tells me what to say or think. I have been vocal in my opinion of Ms black for example. I have also, on various occasions, been at odds with fellow members/posters on here, despite us all being on the "same side", so how does that equate to a dictatorship ?
I will reply to your previous post later.