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Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Gyp Rosetti, Dec 22, 2014.

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  1. mickcfc91

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    I think we should try Brendan Rodgers tactics he has used in his last two matches.



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  2. McChiellini..

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    We're talking about domestically, no ones daft enough to think we can play 2 strikers up top in Europe..
     
  3. James Gold Member Gold Member

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    It works if you have the right players.

    For us I hate it in the league and the managers stubbornness to change is also annoying
     
  4. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    It's not really one up front as such, more that we only play with one central striker. The 3 behind should really be pushing right up and doing alot more. I think other than yesterday, we have been playing some excellent, flowing football in this formation. As per though one defeat and shiter allround and folk hit the big red panic button.

    If we get the right players in it will work better. The likes of McGregor in wider positions won't work, need some better wingers. We also need a natural number 10.

    I want RD to play his own system but now and again it would not hurt to rotate to 2 up top I agree, certainly at home. I find 4-4-2 a bit boring and one dimensional though, maybe a 3-5-2. We can afford to take that risk with the way the vast majority of sides set up against us at CP.
     
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  5. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    Sorry but that is nonsense logic, dunno if you are being entirely serious..

    Most sides around Europe play with only 1 recognised striker nowadays.
     
  6. WolfOfParkhead

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    And a very good supporting attacking midfield probably the strongest part of real madrid, bayern and chelsea teams. The three best examples of 1 up front.
     
  7. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    Aye and look at those 3 teams attacking options supporting the lone striker,you cannot even attempt to use them as examples for us :smiley-laughing002:
     
  8. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    :smiley-laughing002:

    It's true you cannot, but still the point stands. 4-2-3-1 is probably the most common formation in Europe right now, even with smaller sides and they still manage to score goals.

    We create plenty of chances in this formation tbh we just fail to finish most of them:smiley-laughing002:
     
  9. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    I agree in Europe mate but I don't see the need domestically,we have always played 2 up and if one striker wasn't scoring the other one was,it helps take the burden off a little
     
  10. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    True.

    I like 2 up top and as I said above we should play it more often at home but I am quite happy to go along with this for now. RD has to be given time to implement his own style and it's obvious this is the formation he likes best. Might be frustrating that he doesn't change it often enough but we can't do anything about that.

    As I said as well it's not as if we are struggling to create chances in this style either, other than yesterday. Even then we managed to flash plenty of balls in the box, often the lack of support from the 3 attackers behind the striker is the problem. That is where we need to improve on.
     
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    There examples of the 1 upfront working because of there supporting attacking options.

    It doesn't work for us because our supporting attacking options are an injury prone winger thats form changes every single game,Johansen who isnt made out for playing that role yet and a converted striker playing as the other.

    If we could get forrest playing a consistent good standard of football ,instead of neymar one game,then not bothering to even move the next.
    Johansen to develop further into the new role which he will in time and become a better all round attacker . Then we sign an actual LAM ,like Ibraimi for maribor we should be abke to play the 4-2-3-1 effectively and fluently when going forward.
     
  12. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    And that's why I said you couldn't use that as an example to us,we simply don't have the players to work with 1 up,therefore we should revert back to 2 strikers especially at home domestically
     
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    I think people need to get away from the 4-2-3-1 label. Really its not 1 up front but more than often not 3 up top with 1 sitting just behind. Thats not even when you include the over lapping full backs. I think we are just a DM and a proper winger away from getting real good results with this system.
     
  14. MagicBallBhoy Gold Member Gold Member

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    2 upfront would help us in the scottish scene no doubts but would do nothing for us except confuse us for the european games

    lets hope we gets some good attackers for the 2nd half of the season and maybe a centre half or 2
     
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    it is the players that are the problem . When you have tonev , forrest , mcgregor or wakaso to choose from on the wings you have major problems , none of them boys can deliver consistent performances . Two are loan players , one is a crock and the other is a youngster . Then the fact we do not have a proven CM to partner scott brown; people have genuinely forgotten how bad the squad has become , shipped out bags of talent and never replaced it .

    We need Guidetti , johansen , brown , commons and izzaguirre to have blinders in order for us to look convincing . When them boys do not perform we are a shambles .
     
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    It's a * excellent formation if done properly. We are nowhere near doing it properly though, we need two up top for me.
     
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    The past month or so, we have been creating more than enough chances in games, and Sunday was no different. We had enough chances to win the game comfortably. The formation isn't the problem, our inability to convert our chances was always going to come back and bite us at some point, and it did so on Sunday. We could have been punished in the midweek game against Partick, and also Motherwell after we failed to kill the game off.
     
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    I hope we stick with it even though it is frustrating at times. I think the whole idea of playing the formation domestically is to breed a style of play that brings us success in Europe. We need to stick with it. Can't ask the players to change their entire game every time a European night rolls around. Hopefully we will be much better prepared for the qualifiers by sticking to this formation year round.
     
  19. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Name me a successful side that has 1 formation for Domestic football and 1 for European football?

    The Club has to be developed from too to bottom with 1 style and formation which can be deviated slightly same as under O'Neill. That's how we will start getting better results long term in Europe.
     
  20. Liam Scales

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    Man United under Alex Ferguson.

    I think any team that can't adapt their formation to certain games, especially when it's us going from teams we are so much better than to teams that are so much better than us, are doomed to failure.

    You need a bit of flexibility, imagine if we got into the Champions League and got Real, keeping Van Dijk sprinting up the field so he's on the edge of the box? It would be absolute suicide. You need to adapt to teams you are playing.