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It seems that under Scottish law the word 'hun'

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by lee-hoopy, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. lee-hoopy

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    What does the forum think of this It should be the same if we get called fenians etc.
    <table class="articlebodyblack" width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="textjustify">Football fans throughout Scotland have used the word hun in reference to fans of Rangers football club for decades but it seems, following a judgement in the Glasgow Sheriff Court yesterday, that fans of Celtic, Aberdeen, St Mirren and many more clubs will have to find a brand new generic term for those fans recently branded racist by Celtic chairman John Reid.

    On the evening of this years UEFA Cup Final, on the 14th of May, and just minutes after the match ended in Manchester, twenty year old Michael Devlin was walking along Hillington Road South, on the south-side of Glasgow, wearing a t-shirt that said "dirty horrible huns" on the back and "Zenit St Petersburg, Champions Uefa Cup Final 2008" on the front.

    Devlin's lawyer told the court that the young man had been watching the game in a house with his friends. When the match finished they decided to go out and get a takeaway from a local shop.

    On the way to the takeaway they were spotted by Constable Andrew Gunn who was out on another call. Constable Gunn found the article of clothing offensive and stopped the youth.

    Gunn said: "I informed him that the T-shirt was offensive and told him to take it off. He had a Celtic top on underneath." Constable Gunn did not say whether he also found the Celtic shirt offensive but he did say "There were members of the public there and Rangers fans were walking along Paisley Road West nearby. There were no other difficulties, just that he was wearing that T-shirt."

    Devlin was convicted of "religiously aggravated breach of the peace" by Sheriff Iain Peebles, who said "This was an act of gross crassness and stupidity taking into account the timing and the place you were when wearing the T-shirt."

    Devlin's lawyer Bob MacKinnon had earlier told the court that the top was just a bit of "Glasgow banter" as he pleaded with the judge for common sense, he said "From school to university to working life, almost everyone in Glasgow is affected by this divide and will get on the case of their friends and colleagues." But the judge replied that his decision was based purely on law and he deferred sentencing on Devlin until October next year for him to be of good behaviour.

    Maybe Mr Devlin's lawyer could have argued the case a wee bit better than he did especially with the connotations that this conviction implies. But it seems Mr MacKinnon just wasn't up to the task of pointing out that there was no religious element to this case at all. I'm no expert on the law but from what I gather there is very little chance of this decision being appealed because the sentence is of the deferred type.

    That being the case it would seem to the layman that the hun hordes have succesfully won their fight to have the term 'hun' deemed sectarian by the law of the land despite it being used by football fans the length and breadth of the country to describe Rangers fans.

    I hope the next Celtic fan charged with "religiously aggravated breach of the peace" for using the word 'hun' is a church-going protestant fan, or a protestant Aberdeen fan or a protestant St Mirren fan. Then we'll open a whole new can of worms...........
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  2. Dempsey

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    Interesting read. Do you have a link?
     
  3. pHatRon67

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    What's the bet that the copper who stopped him was a hun?

    The stance the police seem to have taken on this is that "he was walking into an area where there was a lot of Rangers supporters around". Answer me this, replace the word hun with "Rangers" and would he have been in any less danger? I doubt it.

    source of original post : http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article1848719.ece
     
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  4. lee-hoopy

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    Thank you. I tried contacting kickitout.com over the use of the word hun a couple of weeks ago but I got no reply at all
     
  6. Rossenspeil

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    If it offends, I will stop using the word hun and replace it with 'orc,knuckle-dragging - filthy *'.

    Just to keep the peace u understand.
     
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    shows how much of a hun invested facsist scummy lot strathclydes finest can be :31:
     
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    Does anyone find the term * offensive?

    I dont personally, but I do realise that others do. I find it funny when Orcs try to get my goat calling me a "*" this or that. To be fair though, I am unflappable, I cannot be flapped !!
     
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    People give words their power. If people use any word to insult and discriminate etc., people will become more and more offended by it until the law makes a stance against it.
     
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    I can see a mass tee shirt protest taking place sometime soon....picture a few thousand fans suddenly donning white tees with "dirty huns" emblazoned on the front.

    Personally I can't see the problem :56:
     
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    * quoting myself now, how sad?

    Just reminded me of a time at a Celtic v Hearts game where I was sitting next to the Hearts fans, and a Jambo decided to pick one guy out in the Celtic end and called him a "Dirty * *"

    Well the whole section suddenly burst into a chorus of "Dirty * *", and it soon put the said Junkie in his place. It was funny, but I think that it shows how we take abuse better than the "Huns" seem to take it all to heart !!
     
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    The word fits them perfectly, i will not stop using it.
     
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    That still wouldn't stop me from calling them huns always have and always will.
     
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    Hun *.
     
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    Squareheads!!!!!!
     
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    It's only a minor case at the Sheriff, not a high court ruling (is it?). Not that I'm fussed, if they want to put me in front of the Sheriff for calling someone a hun then so be it, I'll say my piece there and then. For now though I'll continue to call them whatever the * I like, and enjoy the last remaining days of free speech.
     
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    Not at all I love that word

    PROUD TO BE A *
     
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    the guy should have been charged with being "stupid" but thats not an arrestable offence,concidering where he was and what the t-shirt said

    at the time of arrest the police told him to take it off revelling his celtic top,it would have been safer leaving the t-shirt on as huns cant read "can they" and seeing the celtic top would be more visable and more liable to causeing a disturbance,

    i am no lawyer but my defence would have been,,i put the t-shirt on to cover my celtic top concidering where i was i dident want to cause trouble and the t-shirt i put on was the only 1 i could get as i was in my friends house


    judge,,good thinking batman,,,,not guilty
     
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    From me they will still be huns somethings change but thats thier name so this won,t
     
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    Use the term Ork, it will confuse their tiny brains, the judge will do you for copyright instead.