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Celtic deprived of right to realise true potential by club’s birthplace.

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by LoveTheTic88, Mar 28, 2014.

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  1. LoveTheTic88

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    Too rich for Scotland, too poor for Europe. It is the age-old problem Celtic must try to solve but how do you address a dilemma that is not of your making? Neil Lennon's side galloped to the Scottish Premiership title on Wednesday night with a 5-1 walloping of Partick Thistle at Firhill. It was the Glasgow club's third straight championship gong amid an overall total of 45. With seven games of the season remaining, they have scored a whopping 79 goals for the concession of only 15.

    The prospect of hitting 100 for the season looms large on the horizon. This is all well and good, but where does it leave you in the bigger picture? Not very far is the answer. Not when you are faced with the annual prospect of losing your better players to bigger leagues bloated by obscene amounts of television revenue. Celtic unearthed a 2-1 win over Barcelona some 16 months ago on their way to reaching the last 16 of the Champions League. They were subsequently bundled out by Juventus over two legs, but their form through qualifying and in the group stage was sufficient enough for Premier League concerns in England to come calling.

    Southampton handed over £12 million for the Kenyan midfielder Victor Wanyama while Norwich purchased forward Gary Hooper for around £5 million. If ever there was a seismic shifting of global football's plates, it could be earmarked by those transfers. No disrespect to Southampton or Norwich, but these are vastly smaller clubs than Celtic. But crucially not poorer. Money talks, and its discourse continues to discourage and damage clubs like Celtic, who cannot hold on to their best players for any length of time. Professionals in the modern era are quite likely to be content to move to double their respective salaries in a loftier league. Leaving a bigger club does not come into it. It is all about money as Wanyama and Hooper would probably concede in their quieter moments.

    Unless you are Lionel Messi, the era of the badge kisser is dead. And Messi only kisses the Barca badge because he is well paid for doing so.
    Talk of enhancing a squad can only be viewed as one-season project for coaches like the Celtic manager Neil Lennon. To think longer than this would be foolhardy in the extreme. Celtic are at the mercy of market forces. And the market they play in is not big enough for them. It has not been for a long time.

    To be 26 points ahead of second-placed Aberdeen with seven league games is quite frankly a nonsense, but the Irish forward Anthony Stokes was correct yesterday went he commented that Celtic can "only beat what is in front us".
    The administration, liquidation and demotion of traditional city rivals Rangers to the nether regions of the domestic game in 2012 has turned the Scottish Premiership into not so much a one-horse race, but more a man dismounting before walking a horse around a track. While managing to trot around the jumps.

    Lennon celebrates four years as Celtic manager next month. It has been a productive spell for the Northern Irishman in his first posting running a club.
    He has picked up three titles in four years, but his prospects of landing a Premier League position are disadvantaged because critics view the Scottish Premiership as one of the least competitive leagues in the world. Perhaps he should console himself with the knowledge that the average lifespan of a manager in England's elite league is a solitary year. There is a lot to be said for job security.

    A better analysis of Celtic's true value can be discovered by studying their output in the Champions League earlier this season. In six matches, they scored only three goals. Only Steaua Bucharest and Real Sociedad managed less among the 32 entrants.

    Only Steaua, Basel, Marseille, Austria Vienna and Copenhagen managed fewer shots on target than Celtic's 34 over six outings. They won one match against Ajax, and lost the other five. Including two to Barcelona which is hardly shameful. In Scotland, they have lost one match - to Aberdeen a few weeks ago - in 31. Due to successive qualifications for the Champions League group stage, Celtic are financially fit. Their latest figures showed profits of £21.5 million.

    But if there was a need to remember where Celtic play their football it came from across Glasgow on Thursday, with the Rangers chairman David Somers suggesting that any projected boycott by fans and withholding of season ticket money could see administration darken the door of Ibrox once more. Rangers remain a season away from the Scottish Premiership. They bled £3.5 million in the six months to December 31, 2013 to illustrate that investing money in a football club can be comparable to throwing money on a bonfire. The haggard confines of Scottish football are not easy in which to operate, but the business in Scotland is not yet a boondoggle. There remains an appetite for the national game as demonstrated by Aberdeen's ability to carry 45,000 to Celtic Park among a crowd of 53,000 who watched their League Cup win over Inverness.

    Aberdeen have become a disadvantaged, domestic side since the era when Sir Alex Ferguson led them to European Cup Winners' Cup success against Real Madrid in 1983. But the Dons never had 45,000 salivating over them back then. The Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell has been busy reaffirming the fact that Celtic do not need to sell their most exuberant performers. But that does not mean they won't sell. If an English club comes calling this summer with a couple of £10 million bids for the England goalkeeper Fraser Forster and the Dutch defender Virgil van Dijk, Celtic are unlikely to dissuade their pursuit.

    Can Celtic find a route out of Scotland to play in England? Well, there has been two South Wales derbies between Cardiff and Swansea in the Premier League this season. It is explained away because of history. This does not make any sense. If Welsh clubs are allowed to play in England, Scottish clubs should be allowed to play in England. In the name of fair competition, Celtic's move to play more games outwith the Scottish Premiership - whether they be in England or in an extended European League - seems to be a longer-term solution worth hankering after.

    UEFA has shown it is open to the idea of change by introducing the Nations League at international level. It must strive to protect clubs from smaller associations who have been left at a mighty disadvantage because of how football has evolved. Having a ground like Celtic Park that holds 60,000 and winning the European Cup in the Sixties is from another era of the world game. Regular Champions League participants from less fashionable league such as Ajax Amsterdam, Benfica, Porto, Anderlecht and Olympiacos would concur. It is ironic that Celtic's Irish heritage causes consternation among some members of the public in Scotland. Yet it is their very Scottishness, the club's proud birthplace in Glasgow, that continues to hold them back from fulfilling their true potential.

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs...true-potential-club-birthplace-175006805.html
     
  2. georgiebhoy

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    Good read.
     
  3. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    The UK is one country, with one government, it should have one National Football League, do away with the four International Teams and FAs then Celtic would have their place.
    Would you be prepared to give up your National Team for this to happen, I would
     
  4. greengrocer

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    I wouldn't. It would just be England and I'm not English...I'm Scottish and proud of it.

    If all FA's joined you'd still see Scotland (and Wales) getting shafted in every way.
     
  5. made in ireland

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    I think that should be the argument that Celtic take to UEFA and FIFA as well. A precedent was ultimately set at the Olympic Games when a UK team competed.

    I also think Celtic could gain support from smaller national FA's if they lobbied along those lines, as it would mean less competition for qualifying positions at international tournaments.
     
  6. Fiferbhoy1991

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    no for much longer
     
  7. shendr18

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    Giving up national teams will never happen through choice
     
  8. Vertie Auld

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    Sorry, people'd actually be willing to give up their national association in favour of a British association, so that Celtic can effectively play in England? That's not selling our soul at all.
     
  9. made in ireland

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    In what way would that be Celtic selling their soul?
     
  10. Vertie Auld

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    I don't know, maybe the fact that our support is deep rooted in Irish nationalism and has always called for the break up of the British state. Not to mention the fact that we'd be whoring ourselves out at the cost of our national identity.
     
  11. made in ireland

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    Indeed. Irish nationalism has been the make-up of Celtic since the clubs inception. Why would Celtic playing in an English/British league make any difference to that?
     
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    I think teams like Celtic & Rangers are too big for Scottish football, the "other" team to win the league was Dundee Utd 30 years ago! Says it all really.
    The money men run football and the day will come when there is a European Super league of perhaps 50 teams and 2 divisions. I think both Celtic & Rangers would be far better placed (over the long term) in such a league.
     
  13. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Who is this "Rangers" you speak of?

    Rangers died and their * offspring is in the wilderness of Scottish football and certainly not in any state to be a part of any european league.
     
  14. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    I used to crave a move to the Premiership back at the turn of the millenium, but see now, I would much rather stay in Scotland and continue to punch above our weight in Europe, it's more real and romantic that way I think.

    Going down there, gaining the TV money and better players will only serve to price the working class further out of the picture and will see us magically acquire a clutch of new "fans" who see us a fashion accessory rather than a true support.

    At least just now when we get new fans from abroad or wherever, you know its because of a love for the club, not a love of where we play.
     
  15. Vertie Auld

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    Would you like Ireland to join a British association?
     
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    I'm just looking at it logically, like or lump it Celtic & Rangers are big box office, the money men in football will one day move towards a European League.
     
  17. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Rangers are dead, what part of that don't you understand?
     
  18. Vertie Auld

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    It's easy for Irish supporters to sit back and say Celtic should join a British association when their own association would remain intact.
     
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    That's the difference between supporters and the business people who run football.
     
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    Ok, if it makes you happy let's leave Sevco out of it! However, the money men will not and the day will com IMO that both teams will be in a European league as there will be more money to be made out of it.
    We may struggle at first in this league and would probably placed amongst the lower tier, however, the club would over time become one of the top clubs in Europe.