Who you blaming?

Clearly they're not. Kairat managed to navigate 3 rounds of Champions League qualifiers. While we couldn't win the only tie we had. They didn't get there by accident. We've regressed massively since last season.

 

If you watched us dominate two games against them then came to the conclusion they’re a better team than us, then that’s up to you. The reality is different, we underperformed.

 

I watched us play 2 games of turgid, garbage football and lose to them on penalties. I then watched us repeat that performance at Ibrox. So a case of a poor performance doesn't wash. Its 3 games on the bounce. So the fact they already negotiated 2 qualifiers before that suggests they deserved it. If we'd had 2 qualifiers before playing them we'd have probably been out already.

 

Think Rodgers plan may be more coherent now he knows what * he’s got to * with for lack of a better phrase.

He’s went into the start of the season not knowing who’s coming in, clearly who’s going out, Dealing solely with media and fan backlash direct at him due to the boards inaction and having his own future up in the air.

If we continue on this downward spiral some criticism has to come his way.

 

I would hate to think the two Kairat shitshows and the Ibrox No Show were down to the players mentally downing tools.

It does not bode well for the ongoing season.

 

Changed my vote to both but still think 20-25% Rodgers rest on the board

 

At this moment in time I am happy to go 100% at teh board.
I am not the biggest Rogers fan and I still cannot forget (the exit), but when you see changes in your team and you make plans, you share those plans (with the baord) and you await the support and action.....that then never comes, then I think at this time Rogers is *, probably not 100% focused on his work, probably having a serious thought on what he does next....that is NOT good for the team (or part-there-of that he currently has)
ADD to that the Captain has been pretty vocal on seeking new additions and alternatives in the squad to encourage greater competition....that again never came, is he looking around him, is he less than 100% focused, if so, then why not the st of the sqaud.
So, n my humble opinion the Board 100% to blame for the last 3 months of trading / not trading and both directley and indirectley influencing what happend on te pitch

.........but, will the board ever be taken to task.....

........and regardless, I want to be 100% behind my team every week, to do any (little) thing I can to get them pack to giving everything that they have when they step on the grass.

 

Without knowing the inner workings, its hard to come up with % of blame.

Board%
Rodgers%
Recruitment%

Board must take the majorty of the blame. No question of that. I think our wage structure is a big part of the problem. I remember Sutton say on a show, Larsson got 20 grand a week more than everyone else. But nobody was going to ask MON to go on par with him. Knowing MON would say off course, just once you start playing like Larrson. So this notion the board have of a wage cap is rubbish.

Recruitment is the big problem. Weather is finding the players or signing them. I refuse to believe the recruitment team cant find us players to improve the team and squad. If multiable people on this forum can then they can. So its clearly down to the board signing them or Rodgers approving them is the biggest issue.

The assumption of the support i feel is the recruitment team are tasked to go after a player, quite raw but signs of good potential. Players the board will green light but Brendan while happy to let some slip through the net hoping theres also some more proven players signed too. Once thats showing signs its not happening or at a pace Brendan is content with he stops approving club signings. Therefore creates a bottleneck with player churn because players clearly want to leave but cant because we cant replace them.

Brendan leaving might solve some of the problems, but not the main ones!

 

It wasn’t three games on the bounce as we had a match against Livingston in between all that too. I didn’t say they didn’t deserve it, I said we have a better team that underperformed.

 

Rodgers is showing a severe lack of tactical nous for me. And it’s only masked if we have players 10x the cost of the opposition.

Needs to go next summer

 

Wasn't counting the game against Livingston as it was basically an entirely different team with pretty much every player being rested. And the first half of that game was just as bad. Thats the thing, you have nothing to back up your claim of being a better team, other than the fact we're Celtic. That's your entire argument and it holds no weight currently. Lets see how we get on in the Europa League before claiming superiority over a team playing at a higher level eh?

 

Mostly the board, but Brendan deserves criticism for the qualifiers. That squad should still have been able to score at least 1 goal in 210 minutes.

 

The Livi game still counts though so it’s not three games on the trot.

I’ve already explained to you why you’re wrong, we dominated both games against Kairat (despite under performing). Like I said, if you watched both those games and came to the conclusion they’re a better team despite the fact we dominated; then that’s up to you. The reality is different.

 

Lawwells Maw for not swallowing

 

The higher scoring, more positive football so far this season has been Falkirk and Livi, and aye 2 at Parkhead against promoted teams but both with a 2nd string from us, showing more intent

 

An opinion can't be wrong. Your opinion doesn't make something reality. Dominated what exactly in those games, the ball? We passed back aimlessly between centre backs and goalkeeper in those games. We basically offered no attacking threat. We dominated nothing we were * in both games. The reality is they are playing at higher level after convincingly beating us on penalties after 2 garbage performances from us. Your subjective opinion on who's better is irrelevant. Despite the fact you have nothing to back up your statement other than we're historically a bigger and better team.

 

I find it hard how anyone can have the blame anywhere other than the board especially after all the * that's came out in the last couple of days.

 

What did kairat do over the two legs? They offered even less going forward than we did. They dug in and played for penos as that was their best chance of getting a result. A classic approach adopted by an inferior team to trying to contain a better team.

They have a squad made up of mostly journeymen free signings and loans. We talk about rodgers not being backed but what backing has the kairat coach had? They have spent about 500k in the last 3 years. They make do with free transfers and loan deals for players coming from places like the luxembourg league, lithuania, the russian 2nd division, belarus. A few brazillians that never made the grade in brazil etc.

Fair play to their coach. Hes crafted a bunch of largely journeymen type players assembled for no money into an organised team. They are extraordinarily limited though and operate on fraction of our budget. Their coach set them up to give them the best chance of progressing. Ours wasnt prepared to deviate at all.

 

Both but the board a lot more.

They * Rodgers over this summer. Probably because he spent big last year and it didn’t work out. They shafted Yang, Maeda, Breuem and Fannied about with Idah & Dolberg in the space of a few weeks. Could add MAB to that too I’m pretty sure he’d have been wanting to be here pre qualifiers. How can you make that much miss in 1 window? We now have unhappy players which just makes the team a mess which has showing already. Long season ahead with probably no silverware let’s just hope for a reset next summer. New everyone hopefully.

 

So what you're saying is a team with less resources played cleverly and adopted a tactic that gave them the best chance of winning? And it worked. They managed to navigate 3 qualifiers and get themselves into the Champions League. We couldn't win 1. I'd say they deserve a massive amount of credit. I don't care if we clearly had a better and more expensive squad on paper. They played like a better team and got their rewards. They looked well drilled defensively, well organised, and once it got to penalties they were clearly far more prepared than us and they took them really well. Despite having their number 1 keeper injured.

End of the day, they beat us fair and square. And for me you have no excuses over 2 legs, you lose thats it. Claims of being a "better team" hold absolutely no weight when you've lost. You need to prove you're better on the park. And we absolutely did not do that.
Obviously we underperformed. But our squad now is *. I don't believe its capable of performing much better. We'll get embarrassed in the Europa League.