Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

We won’t. It’s now a toxic environment. Usually only goes one way after that.

 

Exactly.

The board are known * and have failed us all. That doesn't mean Rodgers can be excused for failing to do his job on the park with the team he's got - however poor (by our standards). The fact people think it's acceptable that Motherwell, Dundee and Alloa can create chances (not score, or win, but simply create chances) against a rank rotten Huns but our players simply aren't good enough to do the same, and no responsibility rests on the manager, is crazy to me.

He has been given an unfairly difficult job by his paymasters, but the bare minimum I'd expect is a team on the park who can at least manage a shot at goal in each half of football, even if it was 11 youth players.

 

I don't think this is fair mate. I reject the notion the choice is between free-flowing football that loses and pragmatism - or that a manager can never win.

The bottom line here is Rodgers football is particularly boring and dull even when he's winning. It's often (not always) a slog to watch over long stretches. It's an accusation that's dogged him since his first season here. No one's denying we didn't play dreadful stuff for spells under the above mentioned managers but it is particularly bad under Rodgers.

It's a subjective thing, of course, but I've watched all those managers Celtic teams and I can honestly say Rodgers is the only one where I've looked at the weekend and thought to myself, "I wonder if there's anything else to do this weekend" more than once, because sitting watching his football is so unbelievably dull and boring.

 

Compared to Strachan? Not a hope in *.

 

I don't think that will happen. The players have too much respect for him and he's too experienced. I actually think he performs better when there are doubters, I feel like it gives him that edge. He'll see the season out unquestionably, I'm sure we'll win the title, everything outside of that is in the balance. I.e will we start playing scintillating football and run away with it? I don't know. But he'll grind out the required results domestically at the very least.

 

Last season, we only scored 6 less goals than Ange’s Harlem Globetrotters did in his last season. You’d think we scored half the goals according to some.

 

They know he’s an excellent coach, not great in the transfer market, only staying one more year and definitely won’t walk like last time so have completely and utterly abused him. * disgusting.

 

What he earns has absolutely nothing to do with it however I'm not as forgiving as some seem to be on here
Getting knocked out by Kairat is an absolute embarasment and the squad that we had at our disposal should of dispatched them with no problem. Rodgers has to take most of the blame for that.
I do respect the fact that we should have had more bodies in but nothing will change my opinion that the squad we had should of hammered Kairat

 

And, genuinely, can you not think of a major reason why that style of play has plummeted?

We've lost 80 goals from the club since last year, with O'Riley, Kyogo and Kuhn leaving and these players have not been properly replaced. McGregor is another year older, Engels will come good but he's still young with less than 120 games to his name, Nygren will score goals and he will create goals but holy *, he's slow. Hatate is our most creative player and he still does it once every 5 games. People talk about Bernardo getting a chance but he's * * anaw. McCowan is great as a back up.

It just seems like we are never ever going to sort this problem out(the board) while there are some fans who will say 'yeah, the board are wrong but Rodgers is boring'... every single percent of our anger from each and every one of us needs to be directed at the board. The talk of whether or not Rodgers stays here or whoever comes in or who Heads up the recruitment is irrelevant until we sort out the issues at the club, from the top down, not the bottom up.

 

Not once in my post did I say Rodgers was the main culprit, I simply said our style of football had fallen off a cliff and he needs to find a way to improve it.

Do you really think people saying "we need to improve our style of play" will suddenly forgive the board for the window we've just had? Of course not.

Two things can be true, our board are parasites who need gone for us to properly progress, and our recent style of football has been really poor and lacklustre. No matter the case, he should still be beating Kairat Almaty.

 

It's because it's Rodgers. We were terrific to watch in spells last year but we also made lots of progress in Europe. There was a pragmatism that was brought into certain games.

Had Rodgers not walked out the door in February 2019, we wouldn't be having these conversations and ultimately, the board can slither away, ignoring it all because some fans are upset we got a 0-0 draw against them, at Ibrox, while being 6 points clear.

 

I * hate this argument. Like anyone dares to criticise St. Brendan is basically a wee lassie holding a grudge over their ex. I wasn't surprised when Rodgers walked the first time and I wouldn't be now. The board have shafted him... but again that DOES NOT excuse him from putting a team on the park that can CREATE CHANCES.

Not asking for swashbuckling football, 5-0 wins every week.. simply that we can have a few shots at goal and compete in a game - which we failed to do for 90 against a dross hun team that kept their first clean sheet of the season against us, and 210 minutes against Kazakhstan's finest without ever bothering their goalie(s).

 

I buy that Rodgers has to do a better job at finding a way to land a blow on these teams.

However, imagine trying to motivate that team at a time like this.

You are constantly undermined by the board, who won't even offer you a new contract. The team's best players have been sold and not replaced. Guys like Yang are close to leaving then get called back. The support think you're full of *, boring, and that the club is a disaster.

That kind of thing bleeds through to a team's outlook and confidence. They know as well as we do they're on a sinking ship. He's fighting uphill to get that team functioning to a certain level, and that's ultimately the board's fault.

 

I think the problem is if we approach a player and the player says they need to think about it epspecially a top target he gives them the time rather than move on


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I think it will be very difficult to improve our style of play now to be honest.

 

You're asking him to improve a style of play while conceding that the board shafted him in the transfer market. Those things are directly linked together.

 

How about we flip this argument on it's head - if Neil Lennon was in charge and we'd gone out to Kairat without scoring a goal and failed to land a glove on a huns team that was on the brink of implosion, conceding shots at goal for fun against Alloa and Motherwell.. the same people absolving Rodgers of any blame here would be all over him saying he is part of the problem.

 

That's exactly what you are, to be honest.

You can't sit there with a straight face and try tell me that a large portion of the people who want him gone or are choosing to discuss him in the same breath as the * above him don't have some form of negative opinion of him because of how he left the first time around. Literally talking about the most successful manager the club has had since Stein. It's always the same anaw. "I didn't blame him for leaving first time around" or "I was always against his style of play"...utter * horseshit. The guy was treated like a * here in his first term.

 

Again, totally negating the fact that we did not back him in the summer, or the previous January window.

Neil Lennon was hounded in the COVID season. Guess what, he was majorly * backed. Players weren't allowed to leave and he spent a further £15m on top of that. His net spend that summer was around £14m. Rodgers can't even get them to spend half of the money they * bring in.

 

Okay pal, go check my post history in this thread. I can't speak on others' behalf but I am fairly level headed when it comes to football more than most. I didn't give a * that he left, thought he could've waited until the end of the season, but I didn't take it personally and what happened literally years ago is certainly not clouding my judgement of him.

I gave him a lot of credit for the football we played last season, for changing his setup in Europe after Dortmund. I'm using the same objective outlook to assess that the performances in those 3 games I referenced aren't good enough no matter the circumstances.

If you and others wanna worship him as some footballing * with no flaws then fine, crack on with that. I prefer to take a more balanced view on it.