Adam Idah

He's literally only been here 1 full season, so that's in no way selective.

You're saying he needs to improve and save his career on one hand, yet arguing till your blue in the face that he's as good as Kyogo on the other and that my criticisms hold no merit. Which is it? Thats a total contradiction. I at no point said he's one of the worst players I've seen at the club. He's not. I've seen far worse. Me saying he's awful at certain things and not good enough to be the main man is not the same thing as what you're implying. He's not THAT bad. But I do maintain he's not good enough.

I've addressed your bullshit point in EVERY SINGLE post. Can you read? You do not need excellent movement to score goals. Look at the SPFL's all time top scorer in Kris Boyd. Worst movement you'll ever see but found himself in the right place at the right time and shot on site. Better movement does not equate to better goal scorer. It might help sure but they are not interlinked like you maintain. Can you pin point some his goals that display this excellent movement you claim?

 

So CL goals don't matter? How many Celtic strikers have scored 20 goals in a season with the minutes Idah has had? Does that matter?

I'd like us to improve the squad too and I think we can do better than Idah but I'm going to come out with some of the absolute nonsense you have on Idah because it's completely over the top and a lot of it utterly untrue. We overpaid for him, no doubt but on his game he's a good striker. He needs to show that a lot more consistently or Rodgers will run out with patience of him.

Your characterization of him is however, complete and utter hyperbolic nonsense and I think it's the same sort of vitriol that the likes of Scales, Ralston and Taylor get or have got here. They can never do any right in some fans eyes so while I may want better than them here, particularly as starting quality if we need to progress I think criticism should be balanced as fair and yours is far beyond that level.

 

Again you just take one thing I say and add you your own bit to it. I didn’t at any point say CL goals don't matter. I said Celtic strikers aren't judged on CL goals. How many did Henrik score? We sometimes go seasons without playing in the competition. So for me they are not a fair way of comparing our strikers. That's surely not a hard concept to grasp.

You can disagree with an opinion but it doesn't make my opinion untrue. There are plenty of fans that share the same opinion.

What is utter nonsense is listening to you flap about like a one winged seagull, taking out your * and contradicting yourself and arguing against points that I didnt make. We'll agree to disagree and we'll see how this season pans out and what turns out to be true and untrue. This back and forth waffle is pointless I'd be as well debating the political build up to 1690 with a hun as I would be continuing this.

 

I have never once argued he's better than Kyogo.

You seem to take the approach of strawman arguments when your own position is being shown up.

Your points are nonsense and have been shown up as that. So much so is that all you have left is to try and drag me into attributing positions to me I've never adopted.

I'm arguing that he needs to improve to save his Celtic career. I'm not arguing he's as good as Kyogo, I'm just exposing that he has outperformed a striker you think he was miles better than in a number of areas. Your response to that is to strawman argue a different issue because your own position is undermined.

A guy who scores loads of goals, particularly in the penalty box will never have bad movement. If your movement is bad you will never get the chances to score. Boyd was a fat * but he knew how to put a ball in the net, because he was a fat * with no pace meant that he wasn't going to be trying to run in behind defenders often. The more you post the more you are outlining how little you know about football. Movement is not about running around like a headless chicken, sometimes its about knowing when to stay still.

 

Sure thing buddy, its my argument thats nonsense and yours is green, white and gold gospel.

Idah has outperformed Kyogo? Utterly laughable. The absolute hypocrisy of you calling anything nonsense when that's the standard of your argument.

I'd maybe read your paragraph about Boyd again. It actually makes no sense. Boyd's instinctive finishing and penalty box poaching negated the need for good movement. Standing still in the right place is not good movement. Its footballing intelligence and good striker play sure but its not movement nor is it anything resembling what Idah does. Idah is the personification of a headless chicken at times. Just like you're the personification of a scud book with the pages stuck together.

 

It's not laughable. It's a fact. In certain areas I said Idah has definitely outperformed Kyogo, Champions League being the first obvious answer.. In terms of their last 18 months at the club for both players under Rodgers, their output was very similar, both scored important goals, both had similar returns, Idah probably better in terms of goals per minutes. That's just the facts, that's not me saying Idah was better than Kyogo either. I think Kyogo was better but not miles better

It just shows how absurd the way you have slaughtered Idah is when you contrast how you view him in line with Kyogo. You have consistently tried to muddy the waters here. I have been critical of Idah and you have accused me of loving him, of sticking up for him because he's Irish and been in his arsecheeks all because I quite rightly pointed out the hyperbolic nonsense that you are spreading about Idah. By your description he barely resembles a footballer, I just pointed out his stats with Kyogo under Rodgers were remarkably similar and Idah actually outperformed him in the CL. You have tried significantly hard not to argue my points and deflect elsewhere.

For the 5th time I will ask, if Idah's movement is so bad why he is scoring so much and missing so many chances? You've not been able to provide me with an answer on this. Why can't you be a man, stand over your comments and address this? If you want to be a man the right option would be for you to row back on your earlier comments and admit they were completely OTT and lacking in any sort of reasonable balance.

 

Life's too short to spend any more time constantly repeating myself over and over again. How many more times do you want me to say the same thing. You don't agree with it. Thats fine. Move on. I'm happy to pick this discussion back up with you later in the season and we'll see how much Idah develops. I don't wish Idah to fail here and hopefully he'll kick on and make me look a bit stupid with some of the things I've said. But that's my honest opinion and thats as far as I'm willing to take this discussion. Have a good night.

 

Just for the record let it be known that you were asked 5 times to explain if Idah's movement was so bad how come he scored so many goals and missed so many big chances in relatively limited minutes and you were unable to support your decision with any rationale. Instead you chose to completely ignore the question because it exposed the nonsense you were spouting.

 

Jesus Christ you are a special breed of * cabbage. Every one of my posts is there to read in black and white. I have addressed Idah's poor movement umpteen times. The fact that he's lazy getting back, caught offside by not holding the line, taking heavy touches and running wide, not getting on the end of crosses and attacking the ball. Just how many more times can I provide examples of his movement not being up to scratch? How * dense are you? Even utterly dross strikers with the worst movement in the game sometimes score goals. They are not interconnected.

 

I know every one of your posts are there in black and white.

For the record let it be know this is the sixth time you could not come with any reason why Idah scored so many goals and missed so many big chances when his movement is so *. There's no point getting testy with me when you are the architect of your own downfall here. You were talking nonsense and due to you pigheaded arrogance you have backed yourself into a corner you can't escape from.

Movement is absolutely essential to getting chances to score goals. By not understanding that you are showing that you lack the basic fundamentals of football knowledge. No point asking me am I dense when you can't grasp the fundamentals. You now seem to be doubling down on your misunderstandings of the fundamentals. The pigheaded ego on you....

 

I literally provided a detailed breakdown of Idah's 13 league goals, 4 Cup goals and 3 CLs in an earlier post. It clearly showed many of his goals were scored when games were already won, teams were tired and most of his goals were neither match winners nor equalisiers like you claimed earlier. Most of his goals were inconsequential. Therefore, the need for "first class" movement to score the goals he scored isn't there. Sure he has got himself in some good positions and scored some decent goals, I've never disputed that. But he has not shown first class movement. And he has been poor and shown poor movement in many more games than he had been effective. You're simply choosing to ignore everything I've said previously and acting as if you hold some sort of magic trump card. Its genuinely pathetic and so immature its laughable. I have said this multiple times over.

You do not need some sort of elite movement to score goals as I have also said multiple times. Kris Boyd being the perfect example. You're hung up on this magic interconnection between goals equalling movement. Its not always the case. I've asked you multiple times to provide examples of his consistent top level movement and let records show you've never answered this point once. All you keep spewing is this false narrative about he MUST have good movement because he scored 20 goals. A made up utterly irrelevant point that you're clutching on to like your life depends on it. Let me definitively answer you for the sixth time that Idah does not have top class movement nor does he need it to score 17 goals in Scotland in a season. Next you'll be telling me Tavernier has elite movement because he's Britain's highest scoring right back because he can hit a set piece and they got gifted penalties for years. GOALS AND MOVEMENT AREN'T THE SAME THING. Players can have world class movement and score very few goals. Or have poor movement and score loads. Putting the ball in the net when you have the chance is what gets you a goal and as I've repeated several times over sometimes no movement is required.

 

I'm not asking you for a detailed breakdown of his goal. Your assignment is very clear. For the 7th time, how does a players score as many goals as Idah has here and miss so many big chances in relatively few minutes if his movement is * and the worst part of his game? I don't want to hear your misunderstandings about how strikers can score goals with bad movement.

Movement for strikers is knowing when and where to be, it's not about running about like a headless chicken so if Idah's is so bad how is he scoring so many goals and missing so many big chances? The previous 6 times you have been unable to answer how Idah is managing to get into these scoring positions with such frequency? Is he an outlier and anomaly in the footballing world or do you just not know what you're on about?

 

You don't issue out assignments you dense gimp. You can't read simple sentences and process basic information. For the seventh time you've not provided a shred of evidence to support your claim that he has first class movement and that is why he's scored 17 domestic goals. What you're doing now is the definition of clutching at straws. Our league is not of a great standard. The strikers in this league don't need to possess movement that can be considered first class in footballing terms to score goals. Tavernier can outscore one of our strikers by hitting penalties some seasons.

You're hanging on as if hes scored a record return of goals and has done something truly special. Do you care to explain why in the SPFL last season he scored fewer goals than Martin Boyle, Sam Dalby, Simon Murray and Dessers? Is that just down to his top tier movement but poor finishing? Or is it down to the fact that as I've said all along his movement is actually poor and those players possess better movement? Stats speak for themselves, you literally have no argument.

 

If your first choice striker is doing the business, you don't need to do mental statistical gymnastics to make that point. Everyone would see it for themself.

 

The guy is simply not good enough, Has had more than enough time to prove himself or change opinions but has instead tailed off a cliff.

 

As usual you are misquoting me. I said the way he runs the channels is first class. I said his movement overall is good.

For the record you have been asked 8 times how a striker with * movement can managae to score 29 goals in 72 games, most of which he didn't start and also manage to miss umpteen big chances in those games? That just doesn't make sense. You have been asked to makes sense out of your nonsensical comment and every time you turn down the opportunity.

Your argument is so weak that you have to try and misrepresent the positions of others. If Idah was a top class finisher I think we all agree he would have hit at least 30 goals last season. How could a striker hit 30 goals for Celtic starting less than half our games if his movement is so bad? You can't make sense of your own position.

I'm not defending Idah here either, I'm just saying you are talking out of your * if you think his movement is *. It's probably the best aspect of his game. The chance where he fell over and hit a tiddler at Butland at Ibrox last season is another example of a great run by him but his finishing letting him down. There are plenty of shortcomings in his game but his movement is one thing he actually does very well, the timing of his runs is something he does very well.

 

Tell you what, go create a poll on here and let's get a general consensus on where is movement is ranked among the fans and if its good enough for him to be first choice striker here. You did call his movement first class earlier. If you're now downgrading that to "good" but saying his running of the channels is first class thats a change against your earlier point. His channel running is so far from first class its laughable. I don't have a major issue with you thinking his overall movement is good, I objected to it being called first class. I still don't think its good but its a far less offensive opinion than calling it first class. There is no part of Idah's game that is first class.

As I've said countless times over majority of his goals are late into games where they've already been won. I've repeated multiple times that doesn't impress me and that his movement AND finishing are below the standard required here. The fact you don't agree with me doesn't mean it hasn't been addressed. There are videos of every one of his goals on YouTube. You can see with your own eyes that most of his goals haven't required some sort of level of movement that would be classed as above average.