Oh Hyeon-gyu

Rodgers isn't the best at judging if a player is * or not. I wouldn't be surprised if Kwon also tears it up if given a chance by Nantes.

 

In hindsight (and a few of us did say, but it wasn't with great foresight on Oh), should have kept Oh and never bothered with Idah.
Double stung if Oh ends up moving on to bigger and better things for a decent fee. But that's football.

We can't blame the manager, we all admitted during his time here he wasn't good/ready to be our main striker, so given that we was bringing Idah in, Oh was naturally gonna be for the off. Is what it is.

 

It’s a really strange one here. We constantly want to buy cheap or young and watch them develop.

but then when they don’t instantly come in and make an impact that’s it. Sold.

yet oh did actually look like he had quality, was just raw.

then we go and splash £9m on idah which obviously we all know is overpaying but if we really want a striker “good/ready to be a starter” we have to be ready to buy someone a little older with a prolific record elsewhere like a kyogo or hooper etc.

Think the club need to occasionally buy a ready made first 11 striker who we may make no money on….but will be our go-to-guy for a good 4/5 seasons

 

Our entire first 11 should be first team caliber, then at least another 5 behind them if not 8.
Then the other 5-8 can be your projects, developments etc.

We should not be signing guys like Oh (for this example) and expecting him to be a main striker. Or getting stung by the idah deal

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Disagree on that purely because we would make no money if that was the case. We took a chance on CCV and look how he turned out. I’d also say the same for Hatate, Kuhn, Jota etc.

There’s many a time a project signing or someone who just doesn’t look “ready” can turn into a first team level player. Which obviously there is a risk to that. But if we only signed 16 first team ready players they’d usually be older so less resale value and cost more originally.

id say we would want a core of 7-8 instant first team starters then the rest projects/risks in the mould of your CCV’s/Jotas/hatates/O’Rileys when they signed and then after that youth prospects.

I reckon if we went all in on a 16 man first team ready squad we’d soon end up like sevco!

 

Give it a rest about Kwon mate he was garbage

 

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Said it at the time.
Oh was raw...but he was determined, strong, and scored the messy dirty goals

Should 100% have kept him instead of idah

 

I think people are getting carried away a bit with Oh.

He was a good player, has potential and always had the tools but he wasn’t going to kick on here.

We’re acting as if we would all have had so much patience with him over the last 18 months.

Idah’s scored a decent return off the bench. Crucial champions league goals, cup winning goals against the Huns and he’s still considered absolute mud here - and they’re the same age.

Oh would’ve been chased out worse than Idah if he had been in the same position.

I mentioned in another thread but we need to get it out of our heads that players are going to develop here over 2-3 seasons into Celtic quality. It’s not really what we should be about.

 

Oh would have been a Celtic hero if that shot at Ibrox had gone in instead of hitting the post.
The same could be said of Engels, if his shot at Parkhead had gone in, instead of hitting the post. Very fine margins in football can make or break your football careers. Regardless of what some naysayers say, Celtic and for that matter Ranger's players, are rated by both set of fans, on how well they do against each other.

 

Schlupp in the Cup Final.

 

It’s about timing and circumstance as much as anything. While I definitely don’t think we should have spent 10 million on Idah, at the time he came in he did what Oh was mostly failing to do: score goals and have an impact in important games.

So I get why Rodgers went with Idah at the time, even if ultimately Oh turns out to be the better/more profitable player in the long run.

 

In Rodgers' first season back, Oh featured in every single league game until the end of January, then was bombed out because Idah came in, and then Oh was moved on. Oh was given loads of opportunities and was pretty poor for us overall. If he was still here I'd probably have him ahead of Kenny and Osmand (no idea about Yamada yet), but let's be honest he wasn't good enough.

 

Same. I thought Oh did really well his first (half?) season, but he got plenty of chances the season he left up to Idah arriving.

Good to see him doing well regardless.

 

he wasnt really given loads of opportunites though. coming on with 10 or 15 minutes to go, and he was always working his * off, probably too much . because he was desperate to make an impression. I'd take that attitude any day over certain other players.

 

He was.

In Rodgers' first season back, Oh got 20 appearances in the league, and 15 of those appearances were for more than 15 minutes. That's just in the league. He was given plenty of opportunities. Got decent amount of minutes in half of our CL group matches too, and appeared in 5 out of 6 group matches. He had plenty of chances under Ange too. That's without taking into consideration the managers see him training all the time too.

 

I'll never hear a bad word said about him.

Fully expect him to now have a strong season over with Genk and being that kinda throwback striker where is job is just to score goals, nothing flashy, nothing super technical, just knows how to hit the back of the net.

 

And he had a superb goals to minutes record. And he continued that with the club we sold him to.

The problem we had with him is he was never going to get enough minutes to develop for us, because at that time he wasn’t good enough to even though he had enough to be developed, and that meant he had to go.

That’s a big problem in general for us. And why ‘raw’ and ‘project’ is an insult our fans use for players and the board. They need to be good enough already to play for us to get any development, sometimes through luck for them, Fraser Forster at first on loan was thought of as a player like that.

Wanyama at first as well, but within about 5 games he accelerated in his development so much. Christie was offered to Hibs as a makeweight to Hibs for McGinn and they didn’t deem him good enough, played through not having the numbers because horrendous injuries then had that major impact. He done well on loans and talent was acknowledged but it doesn’t matter that.

Ajer similarly, KT came in after Efe Ambrose was tried at LB and both Efe and Tyler * Blackett got injured and we needed to try him. And he had a * stormer, bitched both Van Persie and Nani and being heavily targeted.

Ralston was surplus and nowhere near good enough until Ange had 13 first team players and he got thrown in, and people forget that he showed a lot of promise before.

And the perfect example for me - Matt O’Riley. He came in, absolutely thrived, and people forgot he had stuff to learn and was young, inexperienced. That initial burst, the next season after he replaced an Injured Calmac, struggled when he moved back to his position he was doing well in… he was benched, Mooy and Hatate being clear starters. Was the first sub always, but he got the time because of his impact, and he could come in for the guys who won his place fight for his place and learn through it. Then Rodgers, who was looking at him for Leicester already knew exactly what he wanted off him to develop him, O’Riley had learned and worked to sort what had got him dropped and a year later he was a record fee for us.


Oh wasn’t that level. He wouldn’t threaten Kyogo, he wasn’t the level of GG that he was signed to replace, he showed promise and enough that he could be a player but he wasn’t that level yet. And we sold him while he had the time to go elsewhere for that. Could look at him and what he’s attracting fee wise now, and in a year or two we will probably point to him saying we * it. We didn’t though, he wouldn’t have developed here, we could keep him until he’s missed 3 more years developing and he’d be *. He left, and has developed. And that’s the point of a sell on fee, and also why we don’t really develop young players despite our fans complaints. In reality the same ones complaining don’t allow the room for it

 

Idah was massive for us winning the league when he came in on loan and scored to win the Scottish Cup. Nobody argued about Idah being the option at that point. Oh wanted away when we got rid, he was posting pictures wearing England tops and * pushing for the move. He also got a chance to prove himself, starting games… and upon looking it up it doesn’t match my memory and what I was going to say… I thought when he got a wee run he didn’t do it. He scored 4 in 5 games he started, didn’t play 90 minutes any of them either. 1 vs Hearts, 1 vs Hibs and 2 vs Aberdeen. Under Ange. Caved for a 3-0 defeat against Rangers.

Under Rodgers before he left and why he got replaced by Idah… in 19 successive games, starts and off the bench he had 4. Was the most trust he had for us that run, he caved. Idah came in and had a * impact. Was desperate to sign, BR trusted him, Oh was wanting out and making it clear. And we sold him for a profit and will make more from him now still.

Oh after Genk thats looking at a big fee, its far from the Oh we punted. The biggest reaction was done great to get that fee for him. And I really liked him, and wanted us to develop him further, check my posts in here, even with that, can’t argue with what we done there and how its worked out

 

That sounds impressive on its own but it doesn't really tell you much about his overall contribution, which wasn't very good. He often didn't perform as well as he should have when he was given a start, and was more likely to score when coming on as a sub, when the opposition were tired. He went on long runs of appearances without scoring despite featuring regularly, something Idah was slaughtered for last season.

That's just not true. He got plenty of minutes and development opportunities for us.
He made an appearance in every league game from September 2023 until the end of January 2024, 19 league games in a row, or about half a season.

There's a lot off topic that I won't bother responding to, so I'll simply say I doubt we'll ever regret selling Oh, or thinking we * it. He's got some ability but we're going to be the biggest club he'll play for, imo.