Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

Forgot about him already.

But seriously I don't want to be unfair on BR, but projects and youth development don't seem to be his thing.

 

I also think we won’t lose money on idah or trusty either profit margins won’t be large but won’t be wastes of money


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Why do we obsess or even care if we get a profit or not - I know it's only chat but let's talk about how to get the best team on the park.

We make plenty on other players/projects so the occasional loss (even a big one) doesn't matter and is more importantly not a good reason to keep someone and/or not get someone new in.

But as we know, that's not how big Peter rolls, we seem to be back to multiple projects / cheaper cuts model again after a very short flurry targeting first XI players.
Obviously Idah and Engels have the blazers petrified because they aren't worth £30M each after a year or so - or * forbid, worth less than we paid!

 

Cos he realised his English market isn’t as good as he thinks

 

10000% correct. He sees it as a “I didn’t okay this player so I won’t even try improve or play him. I’ll show you who’s boss”.

We’ve seen it countless countless times.

 

I disagree he will go this season

 

Where there will be an element of truth to this it isn’t as black and white that they are all terrible players.

Taking them in turn -

Engels - if we sold this summer I believe we would make a modest profit. He did well in a fair few of our CL games. I actually think if we were to sell him and Hatate now, we would get more for Engels.

Idah - It’s the worst kept secret he isn’t a £9m striker, he still scored goals in the CL and got 20 for the season overall. You expect a lot more for your money but this should be seen as a lesson learned in transfer planning, in that why no buy option in his loan? Then why no plan B when we signed him?

Trusty - I think Rodgers actions around him have caused a lot of harm here. We paid £5-6m for him I wouldn’t be surprised if we got the majority of that back if we sold him to the English Championship or even potentially the Bundesliga. He done well in the CL for us and aside from struggling with rough tactics has good pace for a centre back, is left sided and not nearly as bad as he gets made out to be.

To summarise could we have spent £26m better, definitely but if we sold those three players I would be confident of getting something close to that back just now with a small profit on Engels covering the loss on Idah and Trusty being about what we paid for him.

 

Certainly seems to be the case.
Together with his publicly criticising previous windows hint still at a board v manager rift, at least on transfers.
He's been put back in his box it seems this window - so far. The fight continues!
I wonder if that post Jan transfer window review ever happened? I'd be surprised.

Unfortunately, I think we'll get this season from BR and maybe a 1 year (rolling?) extension - but no more.

 

Whereas if you take the summer Rodgers joined, where we spent £20m on 7 different players, I think it's likely we lose money there.

We've lost £500k on Lagerbielke, certainly from an upfront fee point of view. We will lose money on Nawrocki and we will be lucky to get half of what we paid for Palma.

Holm has done nothing and at £2.5m, will be lucky to get that back. We may make a slight profit on Yang but I think we get around what we paid for when it comes to Tilio and Kwon. I think we got our money back for Iwata.

 

We could sell Engels tomorrow and make a profit. Might not be a massive profit but it'd be a profit.

 

If we could sell Engels Idah and Trusty for any kind of profit, let's * do it.

Not saying they're bad players, but don't seem to be a good fit for us.

Will any of them enhance their vallue in the future?

Possibly Engels with some good performances in the CL, but I'd "cash out" on the 3 of them if we can make a profit.

Infact if we can get within £3m of our outlay I'd be happy

 

Rodgers isnt stupid - he knows full well what the operating model is. He knew what it was in his first stint as well. Is not hard to understand. He was always leaving us when the Prem came knocking. The stuff with the board is a bit of misdirection. I the premier league or one of the other big leagues comes for him with an opportunity hes unlikely to turn it down whether the board promise him extra money or not. That will go for any of our managers.

The frustration is understandable. I think every fan feels it. We are boxed into a corner when it comes to trying to compete in the Champion League.

 

Yeah I totally agree here another thing that needs to be kept in mind is even the best clubs at recruitment get just over 50% of signings right. It isn’t an easy thing and I say that being someone who is critical of Celtic’s approach.

That Summer 2023 if we sell now or take figures we actually got -

- Lagerbielke - Bought for £3m sold for up to £2.7m
- Nawrocki - Bought for £4.3m and I can’t see him being sold for more than £3m, in fact I would be delighted to get that.
- Yang - Bought for £2m, I imagine we may make a small profit if sold this month but your talking £1m tops more likely cover our costs.
- Palma - hopefully get £2m or so back for him from the £3.5m - £4m we spent.
- Kwon - bought for about £750k likely get around that back maybe a small loss with a sell on just incase.
- Holm - he seems to struggle to live up to the early hype on him. I actually think there is a player in there but I doubt we ever see it and probably would try one more loan but if we sold the now you would be talking £1m tops.
- Iwata - bought for £850k sold for £1m or so basically got our money back.
- Tilio - you are looking at a loss I think we paid £1.5m or so for him I think we will be lucky to get that back.

However, we did sign Kuhn for £2.8m in January and selling him for about £17m. So we probably still end up coming out that season in profit but it’s not sustainable to only have one hit and one not bad out a list of 9 players.

 

That window in particular wasn’t amazing but financially still profitable. I wouldn’t want us to stop signing potential low risk players. You don’t lose much on them as you’ve just said and the reward if they prove to be good is huge

 

I think there is a balance to be had, as a club now we aren’t going to be able to sign the finished player without them probably having flaws somewhere in their game, personality, injury record or something.

This summer so far you can split it into first team now, wider squad and development.

First team now we have currently swapped left backs in Tierney for Taylor but lost our back up who was a loan Schlupp. Inamura might end up an option there but he has really been signed in the development bucket.

We have strengthened our creative midfield options with Nygren but weakened our wide options with Kuhn going out. So essentially we are two in and three out I would say. You could also argue because of Jota’s injury our plans would need to be altered somewhat as he was meant to be a nailed on starter.

There is still a fair bit of work to do on first team we need a centre back, possibly two; a couple of wingers minimum and a centre midfielder. Possibly a striker if Maeda is to be used out wide.

Wider Squad - we have moved on two centre backs and swapped 3rd choice keepers. Also noises about other squad players being moved on. Other than potentially another left back to provide cover I don’t think we need many to come in. Possibly another winger on loan to cover Jota.

Development - we have let Andersson go and lost Cummings. We have signed Osmand and Inamura so far.

For me the focus has to be on 4 or 5 players being brought in for the first team with likely a slightly higher number 6 or 7 moving on.

It is still early in the window and I don’t mind some development players coming in but we do need to strengthen that first team as to me since the January 23 window we have actually been chipping away at our overall squad quality.

 

Can understand if the club are looking to shift players that are surplus. CB position alone is way overloaded. That being said strength in depth in wide positions is really poor. Surely we can't be having yang as a bench option again this season again. Would love a new RB to give AJ a big challenge yo keep producing but don't hold out hope on that one.

 

Way this window is going, I genuinely wouldn't be annoyed if he walked mid season again.

His entire second stint is playing out like his first time here. Nothing has changed and I feel he's been lied to/sugar coated the truth about how things had changed when we convinced him to come back

The only thing gonna keep him is his own pride/ego to see out the three years.
But even then, honestly wouldn't be angry if he did walk mid season for a decent job offer elsewhere.

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Ahh the yearly summer panic has started.

Think we'll be fine. Think were strengthening up top big time. Kyogo was a waste of a jersey majority of the first half. His stats prove that. So imo we've strengthened.

Then we've finally fixed the left back position that was neglected since KT left... by bringing KT back and that btw is the signing of the century. People are not getting how good he is now.

Sure a couple wingers to go, but the big money buys never come early as those players have many choices and the agents always tell them not to move yet as teams offer more the closer it gets to the end.

Be patient.