Cultural appropriation.

No, but the idea that one person or small group can universally claim to own a culture that isnt allowed to be adopted by any other is nonsensical to me.

The vast vast majority of cultural output wasn't created in a vacuum, it was formed by many years and many cultures shaping and reshaping music/art/fashion/literature. It is ludicrous to me that one collective of people can simply declare something 'theirs' and therefore ringfenced. And if they do, who is the appointed referee that decides what one culture can take and not give?

 

It’s got absolutely * all to do with ring fencing culture. Sounds like you’ve been misinformed on what it is.

 

Actually this is precisely the reason why I posted this today. When I saw the comments on my video, it indicated that I had seriously offended a certain demographic. Someone posted ''get those pasty white immigrants tf outta here''
My demographic so far on that tune was about 85% American. I can see why they might not appreciate it.
Isn't that problematic for everyone involved though? One side, encouraged to place such a burden on themselves as to be emotionally affected, making them set a standard towards another demographic (who can only be distinguished by skin colour) in terms of expression. It does seem nonsensical tbh.

 

Yes a number of horses very sadly lost their lives making this film. In fact countless horses were killed in the many Hollywood westerns of the past. And it was not just westerns , for example the 1925 version of Ben-Hur an estimated 150 horses lost their lives! Thankfully today animal welfare in films has come a long way.

Out of interest 3 stuntmen also lost their lives making 'They died With Their Boots On'

 

This is a mental 2 page thread.

 

I'll have to share this information with my dad. He will be very impressed with my knowledge . Can picture him smiling at me saying ''how'd you know that?''
I'll have to admit, The one and only CM from TC was telling me. I will be watching Dustin Hoffman with him soon also, thats the plan.

 

bit unorthadox? I take drugs..

 

That is actually a good name for a song

 

Fair enough. Give me a couple of examples of UK cultural appropriation issues that explain what it is?

Before CMcG comes back, and he may be right that I just dont understand it, its always struck me as a very American notion that they have decided to export and now we are forced to engage with it. There is a typically American arrogance to the idea that because something is sensitive to some people in America that it necessarily follows that we and the rest of the world need to care about it.

Happy to be educated though (genuinely cos I find it interesting) if im way off the mark

 

Hope you enjoy it, genuinly. Half the reason I put it in the pub section. Just discussing ideas that hopefully dont put anyone in an uncomfortable position type of thing

 

Your video reminded me of Run to the Hills video by Iron Maiden. Lyrics are certainly more sympathic of the Indian side of the conflict but video was based on old westerns clips.

 

No, I agree completely. I also might be wrong to assume that these ideas are passed down, but it seems that way. Theres a huge divide in America at the moment, such a different dynamic than here. It interests me too and I like exploring ideas like this. Most people get on with each other regardless but the media is constantly selling us something which fuels this whole divide. I think a solution would start with being able to talk about it.

 

I'll check it out, thanks. I could do with a bigger budget and a better computer before I try to make something creative next time. Hopefully I don't get myself cancelled

 

All I took from that was some cool mofos dancing to the beat and then being slaughtered by a colonial, supremacist army intent on driving them from their land.

People that moan about the stereotype are just looking to be offended. It was clips from old movies nothing to get upset about.

Good job.

 

Not to say I support with cultural appropation far from it, but the video itself does not fall under the category. For me anyway.

 

It's when aspects of a minority culture are exploited or profited from, or even disrespected and mocked, by a dominant culture in a country. White people wearing cornrows, non-native Americans wearing certain types of head dress at festivals, cultural dress being worn as costumes, businesses profiteering from cultural or ethnic food without due credit or ties to thecountry of origin. Here's a more detailed look into it in the fashion world: https://www.bbc.co.uk/culture/article/20220513-what-defines-cultural-appropriation.

It's part of a wider issue of systemic racism, so I think you were well off by calling it nonsense tbh.

 

I don’t even mean your original post. Just the replies like Cider going on about the history of horses in Hollywood. Chaos

 

I think you’re fine mate. People on the internet are crazy, not sure it deserves any hate really.

 

I read the article. Honestly, I still think the concept is nonsense. There various things in there.

Firstly, its not deliberately mocking cultures is it? For example black mistrel shows are not 'cultural appropriation' rather just mean and racist? Racist caricatures, stereotypes, etc, are awful but that feels like a seperate thing.

The cultural appropriation bit in the article around cornrows and native american headdress is the bit that rankles with me. Taking cornrows, sure some people are ignorant, but its also pretty pompous from the author (and as I said earlier very american) to assume because they care about hair symbolism in 15th century Africa we should all care.

The author ignores the fact that they are referring to an entire continent in which many cultures in the 15th century and indeed today wont fuss about their hair.

They ignore the fact they are speaking on behalf of a continent of people that generally speaking have far less hang ups in sharing culture, fashion, etc, than Americans. In Nottinghill for example, hair braiding has been done for decades between while and black as part of a positive cultural exchange. When I stayed in Senegal, the locals loved braiding the hair of white women and dressing us up in their fashions. Same way we do with foreigners and kilts/tartan.

And the author also ignores that there are hundreds of variants of braid type hairstyles over hundreds of years from all parts of the world that are mixed and matched to the extent that black americans may well be wearing variants from european cultures without even knowing just as the same is true the other way round.

There is some valid stuff in there but to me it is mostly self indulgent, empty headed, middle class american nonsense, inventing ways to find offence and feel victimised. Cannot suffer it.