Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

We do have better players. That’s why we are top. It doesn’t give us the right to win every game. Our squad is poor though when you take the injury list into account, so poor performances and dropped points will happen. It’s happened when we had far better squads than we do just now.

 

I still don't understand how lagerbielke scores his first goal and gets the winner in a champions league game then is completely bombed out the squad. He did the same with Iwata when he scored his first goal.

It's complete mis-management at the highest level. Other plyers who come in must think well even if I play well I won't get rewarded for it. Same with the young lad Frame who came on and looked alright (actually played with no fear) not in the squad for Saturday but * Kwon & Bernabei is..

Make it make sense man absolute shambles. I don't care that Brendan apparently doesn't rate lagerbielke, then why bring him on in the first place

 

I don't agree regarding Scales. Starfelt was a good but not great player and Scales has shown this season that's he's of a similar standard now that he's playing in his best position for us. Palma isn't as good as Jota but is still probably the best winger in the SPL and would walk into any other team. Mooy was good but wasn't an ever present in the team and we were still winning games without him last season.
I'd say every player in our squad has either proven themselves to be good players or haven't been here long enough or had the chances to say one way or the other whether they're good enough. If you say there are around 13 players who have proven they're not good enough then that in itself shows you're not worth listening to. Yang has been inconsistent but what do you expect from a young player coming to a new team/country and playing in a very poorly structured team with ineffective tactics. Lagerbielke I think has looked reasonably good when he's played and again is still young - he wasn't involved in our last 2 defeats. Holm again, young and has potential. Nawrocki looked good but got injured. Even Kwon hasn't played so how can you judge.
I think MJ is running out of chances and I wasn't impressed by Kobayashi who doesn't look suited to Scottish football.
I think the problem is that all of our players - established and new are suffering under Rodgers bad management and for that reason I wouldn't judge them on their showings this season. He's made proven good players look bad so how can we judge new young players who have the misfortune to be playing under him.

 

We've had more poor performances and results this season than any other season I can remember certainly since pre-MON. I think someone said we have fewer points at this stage than in the 10IAR season (I don't have time to check). The poor performances and results are off the scale this year and that's with a squad of players who won a treble last season with only 3 players taken out. Even with the injuries we have players capable of playing better and winning games in the SPL.

 

Yeah it’s very weird and bad management and I can’t really put my finger on the reasoning behind it, cm option is constantly changing, same with rw and the subs are never the same each game constantly changing with makes us lack stability to a certain degree. Is it because he doesn’t rate a lot of them and is still trying to figure out who his best options are or what? He definitely has to take some responsibility on decisions like that and sort out what his plan is. I know he didn’t necessarily get the signings he may have wanted in the summer and could be * off but no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face. He should’ve decided a while back who his strongest options were and stuck with them I think, then again a lot of the fringe players seem to play half decent for a game then look * for 3-4 games. Dropping Iwata and lagerbielke after they both come on and impact and score is bizarre though, not fair on them…. Same applies for frame

 

Under Ange you'd often hear the players saying something like "he's told us exactly what we're supposed to do". I always had the feeling that this meant training was scrupulously detailed. That was obviously the case given the slick football Ange had us playing. Between that and his motivational skills, Ange was the better manager. Don't get me started on Rodgers' CV. It's about today. If Rodgers is a great manager it's time for him to show it.

 

I'm sorry but this is absolute utter nonsense.

We can all look and admire the story of Liam Scales and feel a great sense of love for his emergence within the team, given he was close to leaving. A bit like Tony Ralston, his story is great to tell.

But he's absolutely nowhere near the level of Carl Starfelt. A man who was part of a centre back pairing that never lost a domestic match. By all means, argue your right to the opinion of Rodgers being moved on but let's not batter out ridiculous statements like this.

 

completely agree on this. Think because Scales is Irish people have their blinkers on. He's been one of the best of a bad bunch but he's not as good as Starfelt. Starfelt made mistakes on occasion but people seriously underrated him.

 

Amy more points dropped I’ll be seriously questioning his future,but if word got out certain players weren’t playing for him because he’s ‘lost them’ or whatever I’d never forgive them.There’s just no way the likes of McGregor would ever do that though.There are others like that Bernabei who you just know are rotten.

 

Agreed.

Claiming that losing Jota, Starfelt and Mooy are the reason for our horrific style of play, inability to create chances and looking clueless at set pieces is equally ridiculous though.

 

We have got the same number of points having played a game less than we did during Ange’s first season.

It’s not with a squad of players who won the treble though. This is a myth that is being taken as fact. It’s not.

Hart - Age has caught up with him. He was poor last season, he is now well and truly done.

Taylor - We know he isn’t good enough to play as a conventional fullback. We knew this. Should have been replaced as Rodgers wants an overlapping fullback which Taylor isn’t.

CCV - Been injured for a chunk of the season.

Starfelt - No longer here.

Johnson - Fell off a cliff performance wise, especially since returning from injury. Could be down to Rodgers I’ll admit that.

Hatate - Been out most of the season. Huge miss.

McGregor - No had a great season. Again could be down to how Rodgers is playing. Shouldn’t be our holding midfielder however as we should’ve brought one in to play him higher up the park.

O’Riley - Been better this season than last in my opinion.

Jota - No longer here.

Maeda - Been injured for a chunk of the season.

Kyogo - Again fell off a cliff. Again, Rodgers has to take a share of the blame for that.

So that was our regular starting lineup last season. Trying to make out it’s been the same team as the one that won the treble last year is ridiculous.

Then let’s have a look at the options from the bench or ones that have replaced outgoing players, because that’s also a major part of the problem.

Scales - Done well, he isn’t at the same level as Starfelt though. Hence why we had such a good domestic record when CCV and Starfelt played together.

Palma - Done well. He is still well below Jota’s level.

Abada - Injured most of the season after starting it well.

Oh - Quite like him but he is a downgrade on Giakoumakis, a big downgrade.

Forrest - Finished. Hence why he barely kicked a ball under Ange.

Turnbull - Not good enough. Also why he never kicked a ball under Ange.

Yang - Hopeless. Poor recruitment.

Kwon - Hopeless. Poor recruitment.

Nawrocki - Looked decent at the start. Then has missed a lot of the season due to injury. Hasn’t been seen since. Not sure on why as he did look decent.

Lagerbielke - Haven’t liked the look of him if I’m honest. It is still early days to be fair though.

Bernardo - Last minute loan deal out of desperation. Not good enough.

Ralston - Tries his best, but he isn’t good enough. Homegrown which mate be a reason why he is still here.

Welsh - Same as above.

Kobayashi - Hopeless. Poor recruitment.

Bernabei - Hardly kicked a ball under Ange as he isn’t good enough.

Holm - Has looked ok. Isn’t ready for the first team though. A lot of promise there though.

Then we have lost Mooy also.

It’s nowhere near the same team as last year. Not when you factor in the amount of injuries we have had. The options have been awful. Last year when we had boys out, we had replacements who could step up. This year up to now we haven’t. We are relying on players who shouldn’t be at the club.

 

We’ve also lost Hatate, Maeda & Abada for much of the season so far as well.

Losing Starfelt is a major reason for our set piece woes on my opinion. He was the one that won the majority of balls into our box.

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that is the only reason why we are struggling in games.

 

Scales has done ok, but he's fuking nowhere near what we need.

If this is the class of player fans are happy with then were screwed.

 

Yang shouldn’t be playing. He is either not good enough, or simply isn’t ready. The pish poor recruitment and injuries have meant he has been required to start games. That’s the whole point here.

 

Again I'm glad these problems are being looked at now and not near the end of the season. There is plenty of time to sort this. I'm sorry despite the sevco resurgence they aren't a great team and they will not maintain that level of consistency over a season, we are at our lowest ebb and while we could go lower our slump form doesn't usually last too long and higher odds of starting to get back into a rhythm and winning games.

Psychologically we know rangers break when they think they can get a sniff of our title and we yank it away and they break into a million pieces. I expect all this to happen again this season.

 

On top of all that the GB are no longer there and so bad atmosphere and vibes.

The recruitment has been catastrophic and Rodgers is an idiot for bumming it up when he came in. Endorsing it in a way and now moaning about it.

I think a problem is that there are people in a twisted kind of way, want Rodgers to fail.

 

We are still making 2mil signings here and there hoping for a gem. The same type of money we were paying 15yr ago for potential gems.

 

100%. I said this after the first few games. It had the Covid season feel to it. Some fans are never going to accept Rodgers, whether they admit it or not, that’s the reality. You could honestly feel it after the first few games.

Agree regarding the GB and atmosphere as well.

 

I would almost bet my life that the majority of them aren't happy with Scales as a first choice centre back. What they need is to use it as a stick when fans rightly point out we lost our best defender last year. "Oh but we have Liam Scales now"... that way they can continue to point the finger straight at Rodgers.

Some fans just want him out and that's it. I have no problem with that. I think he probably needs to go because of the toxic atmosphere around the club but I think he deserves the chance to fix the problems with a proper recruitment window.