Big Jock Slur - time to fight back

No it's not the issue in terms of this petition. I was merely pointing out to Dougal that his post proved that there are reasonable people who support Rangers.

Genuine question. If it was the other way around, say the rumour was about Jock Wallace, what would Celtic fans be doing ?

 

Who's to say?I certainly don't know any Celtic fans who would revel in it tho and use it as a point scoring issue.I think certainly that no organisation sanctioned by CFC would be allowed to get way with it tho.These organisations/people hate Celtic so much that they are prepared to use child abuse for just that, to score points.

I know it's a very different thing altogether but in all my time going to Celtic matches home and away,i honestly have never heard any jokes/songs whatsoever about the Ibrox disaster.Now that is hardly something to boast about as it should be the way human beings behave,but it's worrying to think that there are people out there selling shirts,scarves etc with that emblazoned on the front of it while there is a continual blanket of silence from the media and Murray/RFC on the issue

 

Davie, i dont really post on here, i post on another site mostly where i have over 10,000 posts.

A thread contaning the letter has been a sticky on the site for a number of weeks now and i noticed that it wasnt posted on here so i thought i would.

And how on gods green earth could i possibly be making money from this?!!!!!!!!

 

what do you suggest, we cowardly sit down and let them dent and disgrace the name of the greatest man ever to be associated with celtic football club?

at the end of the day there are either going to be 2 ends to this

1) they will get bored (might take a few seasons) and it will die out, BUT it will only be a matter of time before it resurfaces

or

2) it hits the public eye, they are named and shamed for openly joking and singing about "pedophilia" and UEFA find out.........case closed Rangers are in the * house

 

what's the problem? Let them chant what they want! Everyone knows they are all brainless monkeys. Big Jock did know, and he booted the perv outta CP. He dealt with it the way almost every guy of his generation would have dealt with it. The only way to get them to stop singing the song is to acknowledge the Jock Stein did know, but turn it around to our advantage by singing "OH yes he did!" after every line of their BJK chant. That way we are saying "Yes he knew, and he dealt with it the way men of that generation would have dealt with it" by giving the guy a kicking and showing him the door. Can you imaging how they react to that? I don't think they'll be chanting it for long!

 

I don't know any personally either but I do know they exist. I remember a few years back jumping on a bus heading in to Glasgow Cross after a European game at Celtic Park. Larsson had been his usual brilliant self and this scumbag Celtic fan on the bus was calling the Asian bus driver Kunta Kinte. The mind boggles at these low lifes.

For me this slur is so ludicrous, so desperate, that it doesn't even register.

 

Do we the Celtic fans know how good he was, does the Footballing world know how good he was? Yes we do and a lot of the footballing world does to.

So just let the few inbreed huns go on about it because we and other know how good the legend was.

 

Hear feckin hear.

 

You believe that on daytime radio he would jeopardise his career by knowingly making a sick joke that Scotland's greatest football manager was involved in covering up paedophilia? Come on. If that were the case then he would have an agenda against Celtic and you have said that he doesn't.

I have told you that he supported Celtic as a boy. Either my friend, who went to school with him and kept in touch with him in to * life, is a liar or I am a liar. What evidence do you have that he knew what he was saying ? None at all. You choose to presume the worst of him. He too is innocent until proven guilty and I do not see how you can prove that it was anything other than a genuine mistake.

It would not be in the interests of a daytime radio presenter to come out and say 'I support(ed) one half of the Old Firm'. You understand why, in the west of Scotland, a supposed 'personality' avoids these questions. He made a blunder and you have no evidence whatsoever that he knew and that his intent was malicious. Afford him the same rights as you demand for Big Jock.

 

Good point

He probably seen the graffiti and didn't really know what it was. I know i didn't even know they were pushing this nonsence till i read it here. East coast ignorance is bliss lol.

 

So he does have an agenda against Celtic ?

I have none. But since I do not have proof of his guilt then, since he has apologised, I will give him the benefit of the doubt. The same benefit you demand for Jock Stein. Also common sense would suggest that he would not want to cause a * storm for himself by deliberately saying something slanderous and insulting.

What about my friend ?

 

You don't know if he has an agenda and yet you still want him sacked ?

We all say things without knowing exactly what they mean. All of us, all the time. There are many expressions which if we traced them back would have different connotations. Do you remember when we were younger if someone was jammy the word joozy (JEWSY) was used ? You'd say to someone "Ya joozy *". It was only years later that I made the association. The word 'swimmingly' (everything was going swimmingly) has nothing to do with swimming. There are millions of examples.

Yes, on live radio, it would be better to only say things you definitely fully comprehend. But that is not reality. And for me all he is guilty of is (innocently) saying something stupid. We've all done it.

This subject is so vague and sketchy that many, many people have a misinformed opinion on the meaning of BJK. Some folk think it is complimentary ! They think it means that Big Jock knew what it took etc etc. That is proof of the misconceptions which surround this topic. I realise that you are angry about the slur on the character of a great man, and rightly so. But is it not posssible that McKenna (who is a clown at the best of times) simply * up ? There isn't always an agenda. People make mistakes.

 

The only problem with this would be that he'd look a total fud for saying he's a Jambo for the past umpteen months. W ell more of a fud than normal

 

How do I do the multi-quote thing Paul ?

 

Yes my error, Mckenna is the guy that seems to have no interest in football??