2 best players in the world on the same team

Your missing the point of the thread. It is about the two best players in the world playing in the same team. For example if Messi and Ronaldo were to play in the same team today.

 

Cannavaro and Zidane didn't play with each other in 2006....

 

Ronaldinho and Kaka for Brazil is a good shout.

 

Ronaldo and Zidane
Messi, Iniesta and Xavi

 

Ronaldo and Bale.

 

South American teams weren't '*' in the 60s. The only times they came up against European opposition was the Intercontinental Cup (now the Club World Cup) and they got the better of the Europeans a fair few times... Penarol and Santos won two titles each, Racing Club beat us (albeit in dodgy circumstances) and Estudiantes beat Man Utd...

 

Or Terry & Lampard?

 

1 off games are always like that. Chelsea lost the last club world cup ffs, I remember Liverpool losing to San Paulo as well, those super cups mean nothing tbh.

 

It's a consistent level of success over that decade though. Plus the Brazilian World Cup sides of '62 and '70 were mostly (if not exclusively) based in Brazil.

 

You're thinking of modern times though, back then it was different. Pele's Santos team are legendary for a reason.

 

I thought pele & a couple of other "* players " stayed
& played most or their whole career in south america

 

I raise you, Suarez and Gerrard

 

It was over two legs back then so you couldn't really win it by getting lucky.

 

Green and Whyte.

 

Mo Camara at left back and Paul Telfer at right back, doesn't get much better than that

 

In the '60s almost all of South America's greatest players played in South America. The list of greats never to play in Europe in that era is huge, far outweighing those that did play in Europe. What your saying is rubbish.

Pelé, Garrincha, Zico, Zizinho, Tostão, Didi, Roberto Rivelino (short time in the Middle East), Carlos Alberto Torres, Ademir da Guía, Rogério Ceni, Émerson Leão, Gilmar and Gérson from Brazil alone never played in Europe or outside of South America for any great length of time.

All of Brazil's 1970 World Cup squad played their club football in Brazil. In Argentina's 1978 World Cup winning side, Mario Kempes was the only player in the squad to play outside of Argentina.

There are plenty others from across the continent. Elías Figueroa, Amadeo Carrizo, Ubaldo Fillol, Willington Ortiz, Alberto Spencer, Pedro Rocha (sadly passed away on the second of this month), Leonel Sánchez etc etc.

Up until the maybe the late 80's when the money in Europe began to run the show the best South American teams where just as good, if not better than the best European teams. Europe probably had more strength in depth but at the very top it was a close run thing.

And it's not the South American's fault if the snobbish Europeans didn't take the Intercontinental Cup as seriously as they did. It doesn't take anything away from Os Santásticos destroying Benfica in Lisbon 5 x 2.

It was two-legs up until 1980, when it moved from a home-and-away tie to a one off game in Japan. Even still, the South Americans dominated the '80s.

Classic games being Zico's Flamengo crushing Liverpool 3 x 0...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUVA-eIv0s0"]Gols de Flamengo 3 x 0 liverpool - Final do Mundial Interclubes 1981 - YouTube[/ame]

Grêmio beating Hamburger, Peñarol beating Aston Villa, Nacional beating Brain Clough's Nottingham Forest and in the '90s São Paulo's two-in-a-row wins against the great Barcelona and Milan sides of that era.

 

I agree with you about European bias and arrogance but why do you think the Europeans didn't take it serious though?
Because they - players, coaches, fans, media - viewed the South American teams as inferior, just as they do today.

As for all the players you mentioned, except for Garincha. I don't think any of them can compare to Puskas, Best, Eusebio or the real gods like Jinky and McNeill :icon_mrgreen:. Pele is the most overrated footballer of all time.

 

Yes, but they where wrong. South American teams were just a good (and often better) than the Europeans. Sadly today the gap between Europe and South America is huge.

I think this attitude you describe came around later on in the history of the Intercontinental Cup. I think the first thing which put off the Europeans was FIFA stopping Real Madrid calling themselves "World Champions" after they beat Peñarol of Uruguay in the first edition of the IC because the champions of the other confederations weren't involved (I think CONCACAF was the only other federation that tried to get involved). After that many seen it as wasteful.

People also forget that the tournament was a UEFA idea.

Then you don't much about those players, all of them easily among the greatest ever to play the game of football.

And Pelé is the greatest ever. In the 1962 Intercontinental Cup against (Eusébio's) Benfica he scored two in the first leg at Maracanã, followed by an amazing hat-trick in the return leg at the Estádio da Luz. Eusébio only managed a late consolation. So.... doesn't really compare....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Dw8TWMJik"]Benfica 2 x 5 Santos - Campeão Mundial Interclubes 1962 - YouTube[/ame]

The keep this thread sorta' on topic that Santos side is a good shout for a team containing multiple best players in the world. Pelé - Coutinho - Pepe - Zito - Gilmar with Lula as the manager. Wow!

 

Pele scored half his goals in sandpits against under 12 women's volleyball teams. If I counted all my goals from school lunchtime games i'd be up there too!

I'm sorry, he was clearly good, but for me he's not a patch on Maradona, Cruyff, Messi, Best and many others.