Boy (13) holding toy gun shot dead by police

No offence, mate, but it just bewilders me how you can say stuff like that in an almost 'matter of fact' kind of way...

Different cultures obviously, but I just can't see any reason at all for owning a gun for pleasure in any civilised society...

 

Using guns is the shitebag way of hunting, try hunting deer etc with this euipment

 

I think I'll just go for a PS4 instead.




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You'd use an AR-15 assault rifle for target shooting and hunting? Why??? Would you use a hammer to cut wood?

Your choice is clearly not for target or hunting excellency...

 

I really dislike this sort of phrase, "trigger happy officers" as if they are roaming the streets baying for blood.

I think if any of us were in their situation, and were confronted by a completely uncooperative geezer with what we were very sure was a high powered assault rifle, we would be equally as "trigger happy".

 

Yes, I would. The NATO 5.56 round is perfect for boar hunting. And if I miss a shot, its a nice automatic that will return fire quickly. Boar are extremely fast animals, they can run about 30 mph. AR's are one of the most popular rifles used for boar hunting.

And quite frankly, I've fired a AR-15 at the NRA shooting range here in Northern Virginia, and it was a very fun target practice gun. I enjoyed firing it immensely.

The weapon will also be very adept at protecting me from home invaders.

If you don't like me having it, all I can say to you sir, is tough! You're just going to have to deal with that, aren't you?

 

Is there video evidence or any other evidence that he was warned before being shot by the cops?

Just saying it wouldn't be the first time they've murdered someone in cold blood or by accident and fabricated their version of events.

 

Do you eat boar?

 

I always eat what I hunt, yes.

Wild boar is delicious. So are wild turkey. I haven't been so lucky killing Turkey though. I've only got one Turkey in my hunting career.

 

Fair enough

 

They were trigger-happy though. I mean going from a kid walking the streets with a fake, but realistic looking gun to that kid getting shot 7 times is quite an immediate escalation.

 

You have hit the nail on the head - they encountered a kid walking the streets with what looked like an authentic Kalashnikov assault rifle. That, to anyone's mind, is an extraordinary circumstance which poses immediate and very severe dangers. To say their response was excessive is extremely unfair.

If we are to assume that the news reports are accurate and the young boy with the very realistic replica weapon didn't heed their warnings, what chance did they have but to neutralize the perceived threat to both themselves and innocent members of the public? Wait until he points it in their direction to see whether it just goes "click" or whether one of them is shot in the chest with a 7.62mm round?

As far as they were concerned if they did not act swiftly, then they might have seen the kid open fire.

 

So its shoot to kill ask questions later?

 

Well, no - and you are being facetious.

It appears clear, if we are for the purposes of this debate to take the current media narrative as being accurate, then they clearly assessed the situation before deciding a course of action under extreme pressure. Firstly it seems quite apparent they questioned themselves, asking whether it was likely that the weapon carried by the child was authentic. Obviously they thought it was.

Secondly it looks likely they clearly and deliberately ordered the boy to drop the weapon, and he did not. This would surely indicate a degree of unpredictability and a lack of rationale in his decision making process (anyone who doesn't comply with those pointing guns at them surely isn't fully with it) and as a result they more than likely came to the conclusion he posed an immediate threat.

It seems as if you think they were driving along the street when one called out to the other "there's one, get him!", which just seems very, very unlikely.

 

Each of the multiple officers could have aimed their gun at him and taken a shot only if he raised his gun to them or a member of the public. Alternatively one of them could just have shot him in the leg/arm, letting him know the seriousness of the situation.

By the sound of things, what happened instead was a kid ignored a police order to drop a weapon and was killed for it. I think that's excessive. It comes down to fear on the officers part, much like it did in the case of jean charles de menezes.

 

Bet you hunt lots of *.



Big ones too.

 

* are chickens, not turkeys.

Male turkeys would be "toms". Nice try though

 

Ok.

Must try harder.

 

Having been to America and having gone to a gun range, the ease at which anyone can have experience of guns or owning them was simply astounding.

All i had to do was hand over my provisional drivers licence and they then said go ahead! I was like ffs are you not going to show me how to use the * thing! Standing next to me in the firing range was a young family, a dad, mum and son and daughter, the kids were around 8-10 years old and the dad was teaching them how to shoot. The boy was quite happy to but the daughter refused and the dad tried to force her to shoot the gun saying it would be 'fun' and she had to know how to fire a weapon at 10 years old.

It was an embarrassing situation to be next to, it typified the ideology of a part of america, this thinking of you 'need' to know how to fire a weapon, it should be something you choose to do and for me it was a real eye opener at how easy it was as a foreigner to go in and fire semi-automatic weapons.