Celtic AGM to vote on SFA Ranjurs & SFA

Great post.

 

absolutely spot on

 

I have absolutely no idea why that is spot on, he's just talking about something that is totally irrelevant to the points in hand

 

I don't think people are quite grasping what this is actually about.

 

Or trying to make it out to be something that it's not about.

 

Just a thought, but do you think it might be an age thing ? I am 45 and have seen a fair few "honest" mistakes and strange decisions from the sfa over the years. I just really ,really don't see how anyone can say "nae * it let it drop"

 

Yeah. For some people it's become a, 'look at me, i'm the least obsessed with Rangers' thread.

 

I'm only 24 and I think Mrs Browns Bhoys is around the same mate, * knows about AwesomeCaz, always thought he was bout 17 and HolyGoalie is 16 I'm sure.

So a pretty even spread there.


I don't see why people would be happy to let a corrupt organisation to reign after us without challenging it when we have a clear case of rulebreaking from them. The more we can do this, the more we'll get Scottish Football into shape.

 

We know why Rangers were given special treatment... it's because they're Rangers. There are only two clubs of any importance in Scottish football and to freeze a newco Rangers out completely and prefer Spartans over them would be madness.

I think presenting this sort of measure in a Celtic AGM looks daft tbh

 

... that's not what the issue is here. Not what Celtic are discussing and not what we are trying to get UEFA to investigate the SFA over. This has absolutely nothing, nothing at all to do with Rangers. This is about the SFA and their decision to grant Rangers, Oldco Rangers, a European Licence (i.e. to play European Football) when they should not have been granted it. In each case their spot should have went to the nearest time in the league i.e. Celtic.

Don't see what is daft about that being discussed at a Celtic AGM as it was Celtic that was effected the most by it.

The fact is, the people who made these decisions still rule Scottish Football, we should be investigating them to weed out the corruption in the SFA.

 

ahhhhhhhh I apologise if that is the case, it doesn't mention that in the Scotsman article though.

''The motion, brought by a number of shareholders, calls for the club to censure the governing body for what they deem to be favourable treatment given to Rangers after their 2012 meltdown.''

 

Ah, if that's the case then I'm not sure how I feel about it. Everything else I've looked at though seems to be going down the European licence route.

 

I have already posted earlier what the main thrust of the resolution is re licence in 2011 to compete in Europe. If the Scotsman and others don't want to mention it then that doesn't mean everyone else has to ignore it.

 

That is the main point, but people read the headline in the Scotsman and chose to ignore other people who were trying to explain the full story.

 

That's what I understand is the main issue. Them being granted a licence for division 3 does not concern me, as it was "special circumstances" - one that Scottish Football couldn't choose to ignore. As much as it irritates me that, that is the case.

The actions with the European licences though is the main issue and one that we should not let rest.

 

I didn't see your post so I'm sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

 

I think Devlin, Mrs Browns Bhoys, Gabriel and others have been absolutely spot on with their comments.

http://thecelticnetwork.com/resolution.pdf

I posted about this a few weeks ago. The shareholders are absolutely right (and within their rights) to make sure that these issues are investigated and not merely swept under the carpet. As investors, they have every right to demand that Celtic ask serious questions of the SFA's practices and administrative procedures when dealing with the issue of granting the old Rangers a European license- which clearly would have been detrimental (and costly) in terms of their investment in Celtic- if it transpires that the SFA did indeed act with impropriety.

Similarly, questions must be asked of the SFA's handling of Sevco's admission into the Scottish football league structure, and whether evidence of bias and malpractice within the corridors of Hampden (or elsewhere) allowed Sevco to receive special treatment.

As for the comments about Rangers being 'relegated', or Sevco and Rangers being one and the same, or that these issues should be ignored... I don't even know if 'ignorance' would sum them up.

 

I think people should disregard any MSM reporting on this resolution as they have their own agendas.

Read resolution here:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...icfOjTliSVS7UTkUw&sig2=TubHlCugJjz9RrNoSFoHQg

or type yourself into googles "celtic trust 2013 Celtic Plc AGM"

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This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules Governing the UEFA Club Financial Control
Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note 1), by referring/bringing to the
attention of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of the Scottish Football
Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license
compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions
under both SFA and UEFA jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
Supporting Statement
We the undersigned request this course of action, from our clubs custodians and corporate representation, responsible to protect our
interests in line with corporate law. We consider the SFA governance has displayed a disregard for the rules and spirit of fair play,
contradicted FIFA, UEFA & SFA mission statements and acted in contravention to the spirit of the rules of fair play outlined in FIFA,
UEFA & SFA Rules, Regulations and Supplementary documents of which the SFA are signatories, such as;
FIFA Code of Conduct Article 3 – Eleven principles for behavior and conduct of the FIFA family. (Note 2)
FIFA Standard Cooperation Agreement of 2004 Article 2.1 - Basic Principles, which states;

The basic principles governing the organization, administration and financing of football are as follows: football statutes and
regulations, democratic election of governing bodies, legality, competence, dignity, probity, mutual respect, responsibility, trust,
communication, transparency, fair play, solidarity, protection of sportsmen and sportswomen’s health and promotion of friendly
relations.

A number of recent examples of this including but not limited to the following;
1. Unprecedented transfer of membership and granting of license to operate to an unqualified new club, facilitating queue jumping
into the lower professional set-up, at the expense of existing qualified clubs, who had applied through the recognized process.
2. Secret cross governance agreements to facilitate point 1. above, which took place during the preparation and contrary to the ethos
of the SFA’s own published mission statement Scotland United A 20/20 Vision 2012, regarding trust and respect, as part of the
future governance of the sport. Further the process for the above agreement is in direct contravention of the FIFA Standard
Cooperation Agreement of 2004 Article 2.1 Basic Principles, which identifies Associations responsibilities outlined above.
3. Participation of a new club in an SFA affiliated domestic club competition without proper registration compliance.
4. The participation of the SFA, in an inquiry on improper player registration, an inquiry the SFA declined to initiate on the grounds
that; the SFA required to be neutral, maintaining appellate authority status, then not only compromising that neutrality by
participation but providing an interpretation on player eligibility that UEFA and indeed FIFA should examine.

These in our opinion are just some of the more blatant contradictions to the spirit of fair play, however, far more serious, and the main
thrust of this resolution is the granting by the SFA of a license to participate in European Competition in 2011, to a club who prime facie
did not qualify specifically under the non-payment of social tax requirements identified in the FFP 2010, still outstanding to date, a
decision that had a direct financial impact on our CFC Plc’s financial well being.

Our concern is directed at the governance of the game in Scotland, the SFA, and its apparent disregard for the licensing system that was
designed to protect against such commercial impropriety and to ensure sporting integrity; we wish to eliminate the opportunity for possible
future indiscretions and insist this problem requires immediate action through investigation by the FCFB, to restore trust and respect in the
governance of Scottish football.
We have no confidence in the SFAs governance within the current framework, to satisfy our concerns and therefore request the Board
supports this resolution.
If the Board cannot support this resolution, we require a response in writing before the AGM, followed up with a statement addressing this
issue at the AGM, justifying any such reticence, as to why it is believed the SFA’s actions or lack of, in granting the UEFA license without
due rigor, has not had a detrimental financial impact on our club, also justifying why there were no license administration irregularities if
that is the Boards contention.

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The things that's started puzzling me now, is why do Celtic make * vague statements such as the one they've made advising shareholders to vote against asking UEFA to investigate the SFA without giving any reason why? All they have to do is give a reason why they don't want this vote to go through then it can be discussed properly by fans.