Efe Ambrose

That's not what I picked you up on though. You said his last big mistake was against Juventus which simply isn't true.

 

EVERYONE makes mistakes.

Efe, however, specialises in them!

His confidence exceeds his ability, and he cannot seem to concentrate or understand the significance of strategy. A very dangerous combination of traits!

 

well i think you have selective memory if you chose to ignore all the good work ambrose has done since joining us and try and highlight the rare ocassions when hes * up. what was his last big mistake if not juventus i cant think of 1

 

I'm not ignoring the good work he has done for us. I've just not got my head in the sand in regards to his mistakes. Motherwell away last year he made a big mistake, similar to the one he made against Juventus funnily enough. Caught under a long ball. I don't mind Ambrose, but I would rather we had another option in that position.

 

seriously specialises in mistakes, doesnt understand the significance of strategy??.he may well think he is better than he is and can have a lapse in concentration but can the same not be said for every member of our squad or in fact any team ever

 

i agree with you that i would rather have a no nonsense guy in there and push ambrose further up.every player will make mistakes though and to label a relatively young guy a bombscare and call for him to be sold because he has made a couple of mistakes is bonkers

 

I think some fans have there eyes painted on if they think ambrose is a decent centre half the guy has costs us goals in the league last year like the motherwell game at fir park when he got caught under the ball like the juventus game we need to buy another centre half .

 

in a season when a record for clean sheets was set, the guy must have been doing something right,the best defenders world football will make mistakes

 

just think when it comes to the big games ambrose just does his usual and makes a bad mistake and its happening to often now .

 

I don't think he is a bombscare, but he has made more than just a couple of mistakes in his time here in my opinion. I still think he tries to play out from the back too often. He done it away in Warsaw and nearly cost us a goal also. It's easier to forget about they incidents though as they don't lead to goals, but it was still a bad error.

 

He's here to stay. I can't imagine any scouts coming to our games and thinking Efe's the man to shore up their defence. His qualities lie in his athleticism but a composed reliable centre half he is not. More suited to the full back positions IMO and that's where Nigeria play him.

 

I don't ever remember a certain Gary Caldwell having this much romantic sentimentality to him, is it because of Efe's acrobatics? He ain't no better than Caldwell, regardless of playing in a World Cup. Never understood the general and reasonably loyal position on here(especially when we were on the clean sheet streak) Most were rating Ambrose, turning a blind eye to the obvious, the man is woeful.

It has took another million pound blunder for people to snap out of it, it's not even about his mistakes that have cost us it's the fairly frequent mistakes he makes in the SPL that 9 times out of 10 go unpunished due to Forster, Van Dijk or the poor standard of attacking he's up against, letting him off the hook.

That being said the sad reality is he's probably alright for what we are capable of attracting atm, plucking another Van Dijk from obscurity is harder than we have made it look and with him being "good enough" for SPL there is no real urgency to replace him.

 

Ambrose has been no worse than Van Dijk or our defensive setup as a whole in the last few days(or any other heavy European defeat in the last 12 months). This is still a guy who put in world class performances against Barcelona and Spartak Moscow not so long ago and was very much one of our key performers.

It seems as though his mistakes get highlighted more so due to the fact that he's a tad unorthodox and he takes risks. He's still one of the most talented defenders we have and to actually suggest selling him as an option is nothing more than knee-* nonsense.

 

Yes it is an unorthodox method and tbh when it works it looks lethal. One of the fellas on here posted a best of vid of him was wonderful to watch him making mugs out of forwards and midfielders! It is knee * reactions but its a position many people worry about and have his attempts at trickery go wrong makes him look awful. Hes just back from the WC hes maybe a little worn out and this ban will probably be good for him to get back to normal. Like it or lump it lhads makes no difference this is the team we have and thats it i cant see any more signings and if we do itll be along the same lines of the last few seasons cheap and cheerful

 

Effe is effective when we are set up defensively and are more tight as a group , its been said many times on here before that we could not buy a good defender, rangers seemed to have the gift of buying them cheap and fitting them in and selling for a fortune , I used to wonder why we could not spot a good defender , until we played champions league football whith lenny and realised we had a few decent ones after all ,
wot im really saying is its down to how you set up that can make a defender look good or awful ,
I remember under liam brady we played beautiful attacking football and in europe we attacked teams like we were at home but we were shown up defensively while trying this , so we are kinda back here again , this system can work but you need every player working as a unit , but it is very hard to do this if its moved forward slow as you usually end up running up against 2 banks of 4 along the penalty area and losing possession only to be badly exposed to a counter attack and making our defence look worse than it is or was , having a system is good , implementing it slowly when you have the players to do it is a must .

 

He's prone to at least 1 mistake per game, might get away with it in Scotland, but not in Europe.

When we lost to Juventus 3-0 he was at fault for 2 of the goals, when we lost to Barca 6-1 I think he was at fault for maybe 3, and then of course he's after getting sent off 2 games in a row.

Sick of him at this stage, would rather see Mulgrew in CB with VVD from now on.

 

I think as admirable as it is that he aims to play in every game he possibly can for both club and country, no matter the travelling or logistics involved, he doesn't quite realise the toll this must be taking on him. It's probably more mentally rather than physically since he never gets injured, but he certainly suffers from frequent lapses in concentration during games. It's more noticeable in Europe since there's really no room for error at that level as opposed to playing in the SP.

There's no way he should be playing the amount of games he does, especially pointless friendlies for Nigeria and the likes of Spurs in Helsinki the other day. I know he's suspended for the return leg but it's still an opportunity to give the guy a rest after his efforts last season and at the WC. It's worth it even just to see if these lapses in concentration remain as frequent as they currently are.

 

You bhoys are right hes guaranteed a mistake or 2 a game i cant argue with that i believe in the cb position we cannot even allow that but where to play him? Hes not better than johansen brown kayal biton but we could possibly play him in a defnsive midfield position to shuft tge ball and possibly lighten the load on the defense. He comes across as a poundstretcher version oh yaya toure

 

I think we play better with Ambrose out of the team, tonight proved that again, the defence looked solid with no bombscare Ambrose antics.

If we can I would sell him. Until then I would play Virgil, Mulgrew, Lustig, Mouyokolo and Denayer before him.

I don't want Ambrose anywhere near those two crucial Maribor games.