Celtic probed over hate songs

No point changing your tune now,you spouted nonsense and can't back it up,the same as the media.

 

its only coz wee won

they dont like us winning

 

* off, are you trying to tell me people don't sing stuff that are deemed sectarian?

If that was the case, there would be nothing to complain about. Personally I don't think we should sing anything mentioning the IRA. We are a football club. Not a * politically venting mob.

 

yup, some people just can't see that it is in the best interests of the club for these songs to be cut.

 

And also, I am not mentioning song names simply because I cant be * with the "TECHNICALLY ITS NOT SECTARIAN ARGUEMENT"

 

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There's no argument to be had. It's not sectarian.

 

Well this is where your wrong. In UEFA's eyes. It can.

Also, whats the need for it. If you wanna do that, head to the Brazen head after a game.

 

Nothing to do with the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about so quickly changed your tune then?

 

so basically some uneducated hun pig has told UEFA that he heard an Irish ballad been sung at Celtic park. NOT WORRIED!!!

 

Do you ever get the feeling they don`t want us here?
Well tough * peepil,we`re here and we`re staying.

Our songs are about history and a peoples fight for freedom and justice,they call them songs of hate,the only hate i ever hear is their hate for us ,they hate our Irish heritage ,they hate the Catholic faith and they hate our football club.

Admittedly i hate their football club but the major difference here is we don`t sing songs that glory in their death,nor do we sing any songs against the Protestant faith.Why would we?Many of our own fans are from that faith so it just wouldn`t make sense.

Seems to me it`s just another sad attempt to " even things up" .I know where the real hate exists in this country ,i suspect you all do,the problem is no one wants to deal with it.

 

What makes you think I don't know what I am talking about.

If UEFA can deem it as sectarian and it comes from out ground, then in the eyes of them. It will be classed as sectarian.

Technically, it is poltical. Still no need for poltics either.

End of the day, clearly these songs cause trouble. whats the point?

 

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Something is either sectarian or it isn’t, there isn’t any ambiguity.

I can’t go into my local supermarket and claim bananas are sectarian just because I don’t like them very much.

Uefa will throw this out - just as the Scottish courts did.

 

Me exact reaction. Lol @ The Sun.

 

Thing is political songs often express hate too, of a country or a regeime or some sort of hatred of historical figures. Problem is one mans meat is another mans poison so the things fans sing about because they hate are sometimes the things other fans support. In Scotland there is no real justification for singing anti-British songs to a population that (unless the referendum says otherwise) still consider themself British in the main. I have long thought we are on a sticky wicket singing songs expressing hate of the country and its institutions while the ballot box shows the majority want to stick with them. There is no future in anti-British songs in Britain IMO.

Also people are wrong about their being a difference between sectarianism and politics. Sectarianism can mean any dangerous divide in a population and can absolutely include politics when politics is (indirectly) linked to identity and historical views and social division. Good on you UEFA. We need to take out badly divisive politics that angles into identity, ethnicity and religion (even in an indirect way) and there is no doubt the orange v green stuff about Irish history does take that form because it taps into non-ballot box political stuff with a violent history and a within living memory casualty list. Get back to the football songs. You know the high volume of non-football songs really only started in the 70s and took off in the 80s and 90s. Yes there was the odd song like Sean South etc but there were not many. I think we ned to return to an emphasis on football songs such as was the case around the time we were European champions.

 

WIki on sectatianism includes politics

Sectarianism, according to one definition, is bigotry, discrimination or hatred arising from attaching importance to perceived differences between subdivisions within a group, such as between different denominations of a religion, class, regional or factions of a political movement.
The ideological underpinnings of attitudes and behaviors labeled as sectarian are extraordinarily varied. Members of a religious or political group may believe that their own salvation, or the success of their particular objectives, requires aggressively seeking converts from other groups; adherents of a given faction may believe that for the achievement of their own political or religious project their internal opponents must be purged.
Sometimes a group that is under economic or political pressure will kill or attack members of another group which it regards as responsible for its own decline. It may also more rigidly define the definition of "orthodox" belief within its particular group or organisation, and expel or excommunicate those who do not support this newfound clarified definition of political or religious 'orthodoxy.' In other cases, dissenters from this orthodoxy will secede from the orthodox organisation and proclaim themselves as practitioners of a reformed belief system, or holders of a perceived former orthodoxy. At other times, sectarianism may be the expression of a group's nationalistic or cultural ambitions, or exploited by demagogues.
The phrase "sectarian conflict" usually refers to violent conflict along religious or political lines such as the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland (political and class-divisions may play major roles as well; arguably moreso). It may also refer to general philosophical, political disparity between different schools of thought such as that between Shia and Sunni Muslims. Non-sectarians espouse that free association and tolerance of different beliefs are the cornerstone to successful peaceful human interaction. They espouse political and religious pluralism.

 

I would have thought if the senior policeman involved thought the singing had breached the law he would have ordered arrests. He didnt so he was either shirking his duties or the singing was legal.
Celtic pay a fortune for policing so they should be enforcing the law to protect Celtic not trying to get them into trouble when no law has been broken. I wish they would put more effort into protecting the public at large on the streets.

 

Literally could not have put it better myself.

There is no need, especially when we know it brings bad light on us. Singing about anything Political/Sectarian is never going to end in anything other than trouble.

We have a vast amount of good footballing songs, and also songs praising our Irish background with resorting to songs about the IRA.

 

In all honesty. Put yourself in his shoes, Hun or no Hun, try arresting a group of fans inside of the match. Especially because they have been deemed to be singing offensive songs. It would cause bedlum.

 

Boys of The Old Brigade, Roll of Honour, Sean South, Merry Ploughboy, Broad Black Brimmer – there is no hate in these lyrics.