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Why Martin O'Neill was better Celtic manager than Strachan

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by Gary_92, May 23, 2011.

Discuss Why Martin O'Neill was better Celtic manager than Strachan in the Celtic Chat area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. Mr Shelby Moderator Moderator Gold Member

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    You still have to compare the two squads they had at their disposal though. Can't just throw that to one side. Hindsight or not.

    With the likes of Larsson, Sutton and Hartson up front and Petrov, a champions league winner in Lambert and a great holding midfielder in Lennon in the midfield, Moravcik in 2001 as well, backed by a strong, disciplined defence, getting results against the bigger sides at home wasn't as much of a challenge.

    It was a challenge obviously and we still went in as underdogs, but to beat Man United, AC Milan, run Barcelona close and AC Milan close in the last 16 with McManus and Caldwell at centre half takes alot more sheer effort, surely? Strachan had nowhere near as much talent, a few special players in Boruc and Nakamura but to get some of those results was incredible. He had even less right to beat those sides with those players.

    To put it simply if I was to compare the wins against Juve and Barca under O'Neil to beating AC Milan and Man United under Strachan I'd say the second two were more impressive taking everything into account.

    I think we were all impressed by the wins and success achieved under both managers. However when you look at both Strachan and even Lennon leading us to the last 16 a combined 3 times, with O'Neil failing to do so anytime, you have to sit and wonder a wee bit. Whether it was down to bad luck or not, is irrelevant. Nothing will top Seville for obvious reasons, it was literally, magical. However I think given some of the players and money available to O'Neil, Strachan could have also worked even more wonders.

    For the record as well, I prefered the O'Neil period here but they both worked wonders for us, in completely different times and situations at this club. Both should be appreciated. A large part of me preferring O'Neil as well is down to the players and nostalgia surrounding that period more than the man himself, as great a gaffer as he is. He had who I believe to be the greatest player I'll ever see in a Celtic shirt and my hero. It makes a difference, you can't deny it.
     
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  2. aliceinsound

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    I wasn't saying martin oneil was disapointing in europe you are twisting what I am saying, what he achieved was brilliant, but it also felt alot better because of a long draught. I feel we got very close to doing more and were good enough to achieve more though, we were more than good enough for the last 16 of the champions league under O neil and we deserved a uefa cup, but we lost alot of ties late on under him in the champions league, while under strachan it tended to be the opposite.

    it is the same domestically, O'neils record of 3 out of 5 titles is very good, but I think lot would say we were unlucky to not win all 5

    Also I feel a team with players like larsson, sutton, lambert and petrov is good enough for a uefa cup, like player for player O'Neil wasn't doing something that was beyond the quality of our players, while it sometimes felt like that under strachan with players like telfer, mcmanus, o dea, sno etc

    wasn't our wage bill the 6th highest in britian under O'Neil aswell?
     
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  3. Saul Goodman Gold Member Gold Member

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    I tend to sway towards O'Neill when it comes to these but only narrowly. Was very young during the Seville run, only 7, but the entire run will stick with me for the rest of my life. I genuinely feel blessed that I am just about old enough to remember the run, it was the first year I began to watch Celtic properly. I remember being proud as * after Seville, knew I had witnessed something special even if we didn't win the game. Wore my Celtic jersey into school the next day proud as ever.

    If I'm being totally honest in who I think is the better manager, I would still say O'Neill. I've just always thought he has something special about him - he's incredibly intelligent and astute as a manager, he is an incredible speaker and motivator by all accounts, you only need to look at some of his teams performances to know that. And the big thing with him is that he is a winner, he always has been and always will be. Look at how many cup runs he has been involved in, and how many trophies he has won. I remember reading a book about him a few years ago and there was a story about his brother or friend being able to do more keeps ups than him with a tennis ball, and Martin practised outside his back garden until he could do 200:smiley-laughing002:

    A lot of people have said he's a footballing dinosaur and I think that is complete nonsense. His football is not the prettiest but he still knows the best way to get results out of the players he has at his disposal. I personally think he has the worst selection of Ireland players in about 25 years and tonight he has beaten the world champions with them.

    I think Strachan is a great manager and coach as well, what he did at Celtic was incredible, but like I said I think Martin just has that something extra in him as a manager. There was a stage he was being linked with the top jobs in England and I think he would have been successful anywhere.
     
  4. Spring Time Gold Member Gold Member

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    So then, two excellent Celtic managers that both achieved
    success with varying levels of available squads.:50:
     
  5. Sonny7

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    Naw:38:
     
  6. Intellectually Absurd Gold Member Gold Member

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    This.

    Folk completely blank out the teams when comparing.

    If you were being impartial in the full, you would say WGS is more talented. He worked wonders and achieved more in the CL than MON. This, without class players and no Henrik Larsson.

    MON is still my favourite of the two though.
     
  7. BigWilly Free Palestine and Ukraine Gold Member

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    This,

    MON had better players but also faced a much better Rangers side than WGS ever did, Overall I think MON is a better coach but they both did great things during their time here.
     
  8. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Didn't say or suggest he did, I was making the point that a Manager is neither better or worse than another based on head to head stats or 1 campaign.

    Again - was Strachan the better Manager prior to the Georgia away game when Scotland were in pole position and Ireland were nowhere? The suggestion is daft.
     
  9. Liam Scales

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    Well, obviously, which is why no * suggested it mate :56:
     
  10. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Nah? The thread was bumped solely for that reason!
     
  11. Liam Scales

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    Marky bumped it saying this group is another reason to add it to the list of why Martin O'Neill is a better manager.

    Not WGS won a game and drew a game against a MON team so he's a better manager?
     
  12. Sean Daleer Ten Thirty Gold Member

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    Can we no just lock MON and WGS in a room and put an end to this ten year inane tedious pish? :smiley-laughing002:
     
  13. PaulM1888 Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah, 'another reason' is a reason mate :56:The suggestion of either thing occurring making either better than the other is exactly the same.

    Roberto Di Matteo has won the Champions League, Jurgen Klopp hasn't. There 'another reason' Di Matteo is a better Manager than Jurgen Klopp...
     
  14. Liam Scales

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    So an accumulation of reasons a manager is better than another one isn't a sensible reason to rate one over the other? Why do you think Klopp is better than Di Matteo? Is it because of a hundred different reasons?
     
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    It's International break mate, there's not much to talk about :56:
     
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    I'd bring Strachan back to Celtic in a heartbeat.
     
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    Martin had a * load of cash to spend. The two cannot be compared.
     
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    In his first season by the end of both their tenures WGS had spent slightly more.
     
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    Martin was good,but not great,he never got us out the Group stages of the Champions League,never!
     
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    In terms of being entertained I would have to say MON team were miles ahead of WGS, I gave up my season ticket when Strachan was our manager, to be honest I was bored watching his teams while being told by him they were great.