Celtic support getting in the neck for pro IRA songs

I don't feel like I could comment on if the songs should be sung or not. However, I can 100% agree with that comment. I mean, as someone who is not in Scotland I can tell you the SPL and Scottish football fans are being looked down upon as almost having a "third world" mentality. It is sad to hear people refer to it like this. But situations like yesterday make it hard for me to defend the SPL.

I understand both sides of this argument. However, the hate and bigotry are embarrassing the SPL. (Not saying these songs are about hate and bigotry either).

 

True but neither do they sing any Irish song in general, they don't celebrate their heritage in any way where as we do and for that reason many know about our heritage where as Hibs' heritage is often forgotten. I would rather people knew about our heritage even if there are some dodgy songs in there.

 

Yes well tomorrow and the next day and the next we will be attacked as a football club again............we will face penalties for our behaviour We had the moral high ground there for a while just a shame we couldn't keep it up

 

How do you come to that conclusion? Interesting question...

 

How'd you work that out????

A political tactic by the board that was admirable, but failed. All the time it was overseen by the SFA it was bound to fail. (perhaps that was lawwells motive).

Like I said, if stopping the singing keeps Lenny alive then I'll go for it. Otherwise, you won't make a desert out of my football team & call it peace. I won't let you.

 

We stop singing pro-ira songs for the good of the club and nothing else. We make the change for the club in this modern era. Its a collective majority opinion that the songs should stop, no place in the modern game. Ofcourse its part of our history but move on man. It has nothing to do with NL situation or Rangers, it wont stop anything. Rangers will always be Rangers and its their end that needs sorted regarding the attacks on NL. We are a club that is respected world wide, some songs cause offence to some folks, we the fans can appreciate the offence they feel and we choose to stop singing the offencive songs because we are a great club/great support and we can make change for the good of the club. we are not rubbishing our history or anything like that, we are just moving forward as a fan base by not singing certain songs. we are celtic fc. Scotty...

 

I was replying in answer to this infering that I didn't feel comfortable with that concept or maybe more accurately afraid of it.

I meant that I feel like being neither Irish or catholic nor to be honest really wanting to be that I felt like I was in the silent minority who were afraid to speak out against people singing pro IRA songs. ....hence voice not being heard.

Nothing more sinister than that

 

Nice post!

But i disagree.

Personally. i am not prepared to bin my history that easily. I don't disrespect you if you are though.

I would suggest that if you don't want to sing the songs then dont sing them. Fair play to ya pal!

There are lots of other songs you can join in with, the RA songs are only a small percentage of the ones that are sung.

Everyones happy yeh?

 

I find it difficult to entertain the idea that you can accept your history and yet not refer to it in song.

The whole idea of writing was introduced to our culture. Before that, our history was relayed by verse.

 

Well all the focus was on them was it not? We were managing to keep things pretty low key for a while and then last night boom!

Please don't accuse me personally of wanting to make a desert out of Celtic (not sure what that means lol) I like the songs and am only suggesting that we tone them down a bit. What we consider folk songs should be sung but modern politics shouldn't come into it.

 

It's true alright. The Chief Constable is a liar. There are no convictions for singing BOTOB and legally under existing legislation no one can be convicted for singing about the IRA. like i said before the IRA are not a proscribed terrorist organisation unlike the PIRA/CIRA/RIRA whom all are illegal (Terrorism Act). Legally you can sing about the IRA and there isnt a thing the police can legally do about it so long as you dont shout any sectarian add ons or shout support for any proscribed terrorist organisation.

However we shouldnt be singing any political songs because all the relevant authorities and public opininon is very much against such songs at football grounds. it's a sign of the times and if the celtic fans dont the club's reputation will suffer.
some fans dont care enough about celtic to stop singing political songs inside football stadia.

 

It's not my history, and it's not Celtic's history. It's Irish history and whilst Celtic is a club with irish roots, there isn't really a link between Celtic and the IRA.

 

Furthermore - I would consider myself reasonably knowledgeable about history in general but I don't have any urge to sing about it, especially when trying to watch a football match.

 

Celtic and Irish Republicanism has always been inextricably linked throughout our history. That is a fact which cannot be denied.

 

I see what you are saying but its the whole idea that we are holier than them that * me off.

But having said that, we don't sing songs that delight in killing cafflicks or protestants. Ours are songs of overcoming oppression. Winning freedom is what we sing about and if that offends....well, sorry but I, from my heart, find it hard not to sing them songs.

 

Well good for you pal. a nice opinion & your well entitled to it IMO.

 

You know what I'm sick at heart and fed up trying to explain how I personally feel about this subject I know that I'm not alone but sometimes it seems like you're whistling in the wind . I love my club and everything that it stands for and I think that I have made my point.

 

Sorry to keep ranting on you mate but we the support need to take stock and think about our club. We no longer wish to be associated with Rangers Sectarian * that is the poison in Scotland. If nearly all the Celtic support wants the ira chants to cease and a Celtic spokesman went on telly and says that all the pro-ira singing needs to stop immediately or the club will face dire concequences (it will eventually come down to this), would you and the minority pro-ira singing brigade continually feel the right to sing these songs because its part of our history and potentually damage our club. We need to change for the good of the club. I love my club and its history but Im prepaired to change to save our Celtic football Club. We are being watched and monitored closely and change will happen. We will suffer the consequences if we dont tow the line. no disrespect to you or any other fan but change is afoot and we need to embrace the change or we dont. peace and love Scotty

 

Look, this is simple. If the song mentions IRA, dont sing it! We are all on here shouting that Rangers are this and that and that they are sectarian. What do we then do? Go and sing 'P.I.R.A' It is a joke!

We have enough songs not to sing IRA. Thats it! Thats all we have to stop singing. The Celtic Symphony is getting sung more and more at the games. Substituting 'oh ah up the Ra' for 'oh ah up the celts' or 'oh ah samaras'. That makes the song suitable for any ground anywhere in the world. Why some Celtic fans are harking back to the bad old day is beyond me.

No one is saying stop singing Irish songs, they are not sectarian. Neither is singing 'IRA', but is offensive to some. Stop dragging our club down!

 

I personally love the rebel/folk songs, but not at Celtic park, mainly ooh aah up the raa stuff, it's just not good for CFC.
Time and a place and all that. But for this debate I am tired of repeating myself so I'll just keep it that simple.