Ki Sung-Yueng

I do agree we need to be careful with his contract, can't let what happened with Brown, happen with Ki and other players for that matter.

 

Excellent post, i agree 100%

 

But those are all much better players than ki if ki was at that level than i believe almost anyone would be willing to start him. All of the players you mentioned ussually play in a midfield 3 or in behind the striker so its not really the same situation as ki would be part of a midfield 2 for us where much more work and application will be required of him.
Slightly nitpicky but ki has the fourth most goals and tied for second most assists.

 

Obviously if we had a player of the talent level that you mentioned he would have to play but Ki isn't at that level and never will be imo. Also all the players you mentioned play in three man midfields which allows players with less "dig" to play. Its my opinion that we simply can't afford to play an extra midfielder at the expense of a striker in the SPL because of the gap in quality between our squad and those we play. We have to have 2 strikers every game bar the orcs because we have to win those games. I agree that grafters generally get more appreciation than creative central mids but I think this is justified because of the league we play in, i think Ki would thrive in a league where he will always be played in a three man midfield but this is not that league.

 

Lol Ki is no where near as good as them, get a grip.

 

It was comparison made to a similar type of player... read along the lines mate.

Is kayal better than Essien at what he does? Is Ledley a better box to box midfielder than Ramires? no but they are similar players. Amazing how you couldn't see that was just a simple comparison

 

Read between the lines. It was a mere comparison made to show status of players from other teams who are similar to Ki in terms of style.

 

You'd be suprised i actually did clearly comprehend your post but your general point was basically to put words into another posters mouth and tell him that because he said one thing about ki then he must have the same feelings about players who are similar but much better than ki. I was simply highlighting that this was untrue because as stated previously these players are much better than ki so your point is not really a valid one

 

Wrong, it was a simple comparison to enable my argument to be more under-stand able, no putting words into another posters mouth. I quite clearly voiced my own opinion, just like you have, its a discussion not a competitive debate here.

As for the other part, i concede that the players ive mentioned are better than Ki but does that matter in our discussion? i've clearly stated in my previous post that Kayal and Ledley are just as worse in comparison to essien and ramires but i've made the comparison because they are similar TYPE of players. No feelings involved here mate, just plain hard fact.

 

Furthermore, why would you quote a post which wasn't directed at you?

Lets keep this between you and me

 

I dont know which quoted post you are talking about but your first post i quoted because i disagreed with it and highlighted the parts i disagreed with. In the more recent post which i have a feeling is the one you are talking about you did quote me so im not sure what the issue is. Maybe you made a mistake in who you were trying to quote but if you look again you did quote me.

 

The highlighted part is where you try to speak for him. I don't really know why all of these other midfielders who don't play for celtic are being brought into the debate or what point it really serves. Would i have ozil in my team ahead of ramires? yeah i would cuz hes a better player Does this have anything to do with ki or the fact i would play kayal and wanyama ahead of him? No.

 

Of course it has nothing to do with you choosing kayal and wanyama ahead of him, because i ain't trying to convince anyone. But if you care to look at most of my previous posts i make that similar comparison/example throughout my posts, why? because i've always made a point that people's preference towards a certain style/type of players have resulted in unfair criticisms towards Ki. That is it! that is what i've been trying to potray for a while now. I don't care if you love wanyama and kayal, but to anyone who has a right old crack at Ki for dumb reasons are wrong.

 

No one is saying Ki is as good as Modric etc but I think the point being made is Ki is more of a ball playing midfielder than a hard tackling mixer like Kayal, that said I believe Wanyama has the talent to do both and will go on to be a fabulous player for us, Ledley can also do both sides of the game well but unfortunately has picked up injuries.

Sometimes Ki gets lost in games where it is required to mix it, up against players like Mcculloch and Ian black of Hearts (the dirtiest * in the Scottish game) these are games I'd leave him out in favour of others.

 

Spot on - if we give him the chance to play as a technical, ball-playing midfielder then he'll stand out as our most important player.

If we ask him to play as a brawler/ball-winner (like on Thursday) he'll stand out as one of our worst.

 

Ki posted missing again on Thursday. This guy never turns up when the chips are down, and he has become a luxury in our team that we can no longer afford.

 

Would sell him in a minute, too laidback, no urgency in his play, unable to up the pace when we're trailing in a match, hates having to tackle, oh apart from that he can pass a decent ball from time to time.

 

Neil Lennon singled him out, along with a couple of others for having a good game. He was playing a restricted role, he was covering everywhere and his work-rate was tremendous.

I don't know how people can say he went missing when he was working his socks off all game.

Of course he didn't create as much, as he had to limit the attacking threat of Udinese.

We really don't appreciate our creative players enough, Ki will go on to bigger things.

I'm not sure you watched the game, he wasn't laid back and didn't lack urgency.

He's not shy in a tackle either. His passing is very good, not decent.

 

laughable Dr.V to be honest, Ki was not posted missing, however messers Broony and Kayal were.