Celtic Supporters Thread (contains GB chat)

what amazes me was the aMOUNT OF POLICE THERE And how ruthless and quick they were to intervene yet we seen you tuybe coverage of rangers fans wrecking the toilets at parkhead and singing there sectarian bile while the police stood by and done nothing them and us or what

 

You are right, and hopefully the increased coverage will start to put those wheels in motion. The old tribalism will always muddy the waters a bit, but I can't see any other fans stepping up to support us until they are on the receiving end too.

What you are advocating there is completely changing the ethos of the group. For one, there has never been a flare set off inside Celtic Park by the GB to my knowledge, and even at away venues it is an extremely rare occurrence, so need to be treated as individual incidents with those involved, rather than used as a stick to beat the group with.

What do you count as a 'contentious' political banner? Each persons opinion is different, and each is as welcome as the next to express it. As I've said many many times, there don't seem to be many in attendance who disagree with these 'contentious' banners.

IRA songs we've covered at length before on here, the lack of convictions against the Celtic support under this new bill relating to song choice says it all really.

Lateral movement isn't something I've heard mentioned about any other group of fans anywhere else in the world, so I think we can agree that it's a bit of a ridiculous one. There was a fair bit of lateral movement yesterday when the fourth goal went in, can I expect a banning order, or is it OK because I'm not in 111?

Basically what you're saying is 'back down to police brutality and harassment', I disagree.

 

Sometimes I can admire the points you make in your arguments Sween, as they are generally well constructed, even though I generally disagree with you.

On this occasion you are quite frankly talking *. The GB have never to my knowledge committed any illegal acts, violence or intimidation. If having political viewpoints is now illegal in this country or demonstrating is against the law, then we have some really deep problems with civil rights. The right to stand up to fascist reactionary policing of this magnitude should be a basic tenet of a civilised society.

The Celtic family, from the club, through all the supporters groups should stand behind any group being targeted in this way. This form of political policing should be stamped out.

"If you tolerate this, then your children will be next!".

 

There are a vast majority of our fans that are to be said bluntly are shitebags. It's true. If told anything they'll believe it and stay clear to avoid any trouble. I went to the march today to be with like minded people as I know of there are no response to what's been happening they will take over and everyone will have to accept it and this will pass down onto our sons and grandchildren which I'm sure most don't want to happen, today was only the beginning of a long way towards a long track to some form of normality. I would liken yesterday's march to the poll tax rally's of the eightys. Like minded people gathering in numbers to show their disgust of something they don't want or believe in.

 

Seems like you are wrong again Sween.

Brian McConnachie QC

Brian McConnachie ‏@BMcconnachieQC
@GerryBraiden It is the classic extremely expensive sledgehammer to crack a nut. Yesterday's display from Strathclyde Police seems ludicrous

Brian McConnachie ‏@BMcconnachieQC
@GerryBraiden I fear the police are acting under instruction. CO think this is a major issue so they have to give it undue attention.

Rachel Lynch ‏@Rachel_Lynchx
Modern technology is fantastic
seen video of 15 year old being wrestled to the ground. Further action must be taken against police involved.


Seems plenty of influential people are taking an interest in this while the GB are still "extreme"

 

In a sense I actually agree with you here, I think for many outside of the Celtic 'hardcore' it will be difficult to support the Green Brigade, considering that a lot of these people will find their views abhorrent (we know the view many take of Celtic in this country), but people need to see the big picture. It is all well and good looking at it as a 'GB problem', but what happens once the GB are 'smashed'? Who's next? And who is going to stand up for them? The Green Brigade are top of the list for the establishment authorities, but they will certainly not be the only ones on there.

That is where the difficulty lies, mainstream support is not going to come from the media, because they will never ever back the Celtic support for fear of the Zombie reaction/boycott which would follow, it is unlikely to come from other groups of fans, as they are apathetic whilst they can attend matches without the hassle that we get, and the Group, rightly will not bend to suit the agendas of those who seek to destroy them.

We're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

Can anyone give me a brief description of what all this is about? Was the protest a Green Brigade only thing or were the wider support involved?

 

It was a coreto called by the Green Brigade to raise awareness and show support for the growing list of Celtic supporters receiving and facing bans from both the Club and the PF. Highlighting the level of harassment at the hands of Strathclyde Police as it were. It was an open call on all supporters, not just those involved in the Green Brigade.

 

The over reaction from the Police is shocking, but why have the MSM not brought this to the wider public attention. It's their job, we have seen the true figures for attendant at Celtic Park splashed over the MSM, but not the fact the season ticket holders are being driven out of the game.
It don't see Celtic doing anything as this happened away from the game, regardless if it was Celtic fans involved or not.
I would like the see the Police being brought to account for wasting Tax payers money over this, when everyone else is being made to cut their budgets. They seem to trying to jail anyone who disagrees with them.
Free speech in Scotland - not anymore..

 

Frankly I am sitting here like probably many and also thinking you are an embarrassment for derailing an important thread with this old chestnut about a banner several seasons ago.

Their treatment is a joke and anyone who wants to say different is clearly deluded on this one, I like many do not support much of what they do but can spot victimisation and unfairness when I see it.

Are we saying we live in a country where fans cannot march together to their ground while Islamic extremists are allowed to march in London celebrating the actions 9/11, because from where I am sitting that looks the state of play right now and that's not on!

 

Think i will boycott future Celtic games if the club don't stand for the fans, no green brigade, no Celtic.

 

1 QC, and do you mean this girl?!

http://balls.ie/football/meet-rachel-lynch/

Look, we can only really wait to see what happens. I would be willing to place quite a large bet that the GB gets almost no mainstream support as simply put the mainstream care little for the opinions of a football ultra group moaning about the police.

I might be wrong. A year from now I will happily come back and concede this if the GB and Rachel Lynch and her splendid * can convince the average sports fan that this is an issue for them, or for the average member of the public. But until they cut out their extremist stuff I dont believe they will

 

Who said it was wrong?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-14896522

Don't remember any "kettling" at this illegal march, even after permission was denied.

One Scotland, Many Cultures (unless you are an uppity *)

 

For a group of people who always seem very well organised....it seems to me that trying to have a march that wasnt authorised was a bit misguided.

 

From the Polis point of view there definitely seems here a case of not being able to differentiate between Soccer Casuals of yesteryear and the newer Ultra groups, from the evidence of yesterday they are using the same tactics and applying the same mindset and logic.

Also this * about "no permission" to walk to the ground in a group (when clearly no violence or disorder is on the agenda), thats clearly a breach of liberties and the type of thing western "democratic" governments would probably criticise if they heard about in Iran or North Korea!

Selective implementation of the law is in place here pure and simple!