The war on terror(lies?)

They already have access to their holy sites, I have said before that What isreal is doing is wrong, But you cannot blame them entirely for what is going on, Isreal would have changed the deal if arafat would have been willing to negoitate, but the thing that mattered most to him was hanging on to power, he didnt want any foreign election oversite if he agreed to free elections, and don't forget that they found millions of dollars of stolen aid money in his accounts.

 

First off when do I refer my crimes to racist gangs, what crimes? * are you talking abot?

And secondly there is no discrimination against blacks in the US. Europe has a huge problem with racism, and people like you who stick your heads in the sand and are oblivious to it are one of the reasons why.

 

I never said Europe has larger racist groups than the US I said they had a larger problem of racism, I said that the KKK is pretty much dead to day with just a few hundread harcore rednecks in the woods. The KKK has not been active in many years while Racism in Europe is growing.

Please read my posts a little more carefully before accusing me of hypocrisy, Also I have never told people that the reason we are better than the taliban is that we have killed less people ( and btw why don't you actually look at the numbers of people killed in Afghanstan and see who was killed by who, use a reputable source and you might actually be surprised ) I have said that we are better because we are fighting to protect the Afghan people, While the taliban want to destroy everything that the Afghan government has manged to achieve and then oppess their people. I know we are better than the taliban because you will not see US soldiers go into a school for young girls and rape and murder them just because they offended Allah by learning how to read.

 

I have a feeling we would agree if we discussed the IRA, but your right lets keep this thread on subject, even though it has long left the direction set by the OP :icon_mrgreen:

 

not a chance m8. if anyone went to an american sporting event with a * flag or made a * salute or made monkey noises at the players, they would get the ever loving crap beaten out of them. america is TOTALLY different

 

its all down to propaganda and racial insightments in your country on countless of jokes and videos i can came across, and who the * are you telling people LIKE ME to stick my head in the sand, YOU son are FULL of bigotry, US this doesn't do this yours is worse than this, Mr. US from you to be honest, can even look at both sides of the story's because automaticly YOU have to be right.

KKK as above posts state in pass and presence its a hige problem and STILL to this day Obama has to get protection over racial assassinations of your OWN President.

It doesnt matter what I type to you because BIGWILL is right no matter what I type to you.

 

i know you didnt say they were bigger, i said you "can" say,

my point was simply the argument of "scale" comparing the neo-nazis in europe to those in america, is hypocritical considering the americans have killed way more people in the middle east than the taliban or al qaeda

TLDR; both are as bad as eachother regardless of scale

 

nothing wrong with removing the taliban, but look at who put them there.

they're not really better off under the americans. the country is in civil war., the northern warlords are digging up their old guns to take on the karzai govt as is the hazras.

womens rights are no better sadly.

sadly america used to be something better, they actually used to paractice what they preached, they believed in real democracy and tried to make the world a better place.

* only knows how those neo con cocksuckers, ever got into power in america.

invested interests is what its all about sadly.

 

this is total bullshit. you don't even have to go to the south to see that. discrimination against blacks is still going on.

also the KKK is still very active (saw them last year in VA). besides them other neo-* gangs have formed. watching hitler movies all day long and go to several towns to oppress minorities.

also funny I talked to american soldiers that were in iraq. muslims were "sandniggers" who deserved to die according to them.

either you are joking or you are blind to see what's going on. like I said before, if you are white (with a bit of cash) it's a different world in america. that new york ain't as bad as mississippi, alabama or other states is pretty obvious. the problem ain't a few rednecks, the problem are many racist groups like the KKK (that recruited many people when Obama became president).

Nobody says there is no racism in Europe. there are some obvious problems and areas. but taking football games as example for racism shows you haven't understand anything about european football culture.

 

Arafat was there to neogtiate,through the negotiations this is what they were willing to give to him, no true leader of their people would ever have accepted this insulting settlement,i doubt any American would like to think of themselves willing to take it either.
The deal would not have gave all the people access bcause the illegal roads and settlements would still have been up and because of the ridiculous amount of restrictions the Palestinians to this day are still faced with.I reckon even if you dont realise it that you dont value a Muslims/Palestinians life as much as you would an Israeli one,it is why you continue to see Arafat and the resistance groups as terrorists and make excuses for Israels occupation and genocide of Palestine.

 

Arafat turned down a deal that would have brought about an independent Palestinian state, as is normal in negotiations he wasn’t getting everything he wanted but instead of offering an alternative solution he turned the PLO back to acts of violence.

A few years ago there was a court case about some of the terrorist attacks carried out by the PLO after the failure of the Camp David summit in 2000 Sokolow v The Palestine Liberation Organization (I don’t actually know how the case finished will need to look in to that when I finish work as most political website are blocked).

The PLO tried to argue that bombing and shooting civilians in a café were acts of war, not terrorism, here’s some of what the judge said in reply:

Under the Camp David proposal the Palestine state would have been 100% of Gaza and around 70-75% of the West Bank, rising to 91% after all terrorist organisations had been disbanded. The only settlements that would have remained were those directly on the green line due to security issues, in return Israel would give some of the Negav region to the Palestinian State. Gaza and the West Bank would have been connected by a highway and railway allowing free passage of Palestinians between the two areas. Palestinians would also be given control over Islamic and Christian Holy sites. Israel would have kept control of the Jewish quarter of the Old City with the other 3 quarters being under Palestinian Control. As for the Temple Mount area, the most holy site in Judaism and the 3rd holiest site in Islam the offer was for it to remain in Israeli sovereignty but with the Palestinians taking custody of it therefore the two states would have to had worked together to ensure that both Muslims and Jews could access a site holy to both.

 

Sorry I thought you had said that there was no molten metal. Do you now accept that there was and it could not have been caused by jet fuel or subsequent fires a la the official line?

I'm not overly familiar with LC so I'd not really be in a position to defend it much but there are bits that are relevant from what I remember. You say that most of the questions have been answered Will but sorry mate that is total nonsense. There has been little proven, even the perpetrators is heresay. I find it surprising that you and many others seem to believe as easily the line spun. Surely its a prerequisite of any crime to find those guilty through enquiry or investigation and the US didn't even want to do that. There is no doubt in my mind that they are covering something.

 

Bin Laden is dead. He either died before or just after 9/11. He was a CIA agent and was set up to be the fall guy, for what benefits to his family I don't know.

How can you capture a dead man? You can't. Perfect if you want to keep a war ongoing and when you want to move into a neighbouring country well you just say he's been seen there or get the CIA to make another fake Bin Laden video only this time make sure they do a better job of it.

The war in Iran and Afghanistan is to establish a base in the middle east for future invasions. lOOk at a map to see where 'we' are or where 'we' are friendly with. Notice how they all surround Iran?

Laugh if yous want here but this is the work of a New World Order. One world government, one army. Welcome to your Military Industrial Complex

 

As for the towers falling. Here's a simple comparism.

If you get punched in the chest you tip over, you don't collapse into a heap. If you cut a standing persons feet off they collapse into a heap.

Bombs in the basement and through out the towers tOOk them down. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY EVER that two planes could take two towers down like that.

 

He could be dead mate but i think he is just alive and no more. Heres a news report of him put into a american hospital in the middle east.

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Its even admitted on the video that a american agent was there with him.

 

totally agree its scinenticficly impossible mate, the polis, firemen, ambulance crews you name it admit hearing explosions and all were censored in the news.

 

Tried to multi-quote but couldn't everything NOT in bold is my response to bigwill.

This last paragraph is not worth responding to as it is utter utter lies! Arafat was given a vague promise of most of the occupied territories and Jerusalem to be debated at a later date. Israel did indeed dismantle their few colonies (settlements is such a cuddly word) in Gaza but in the occupied west bank there is half a million colonists living on hundreds of settlements with hundreds of miles of Jews only roads with free fire zones stopping Palestinians farming much of their land. "Arafat got greedy" Rofll! He was an old man who was just happy to home in Palestine and gave up the resistance for a pittance, abused by Israeli lies offering that which they had no intention of giving.

 

>>Arafat turned down a deal that would have brought about an independent Palestinian state, as is normal in negotiations he wasn’t getting everything he wanted but instead of offering an alternative solution he turned the PLO back to acts of violence.<<

Hello Danni.

Are you aware of what that state would have comprised off? These were no normal negotians that we would recognise either.

A few years ago there was a court case about some of the terrorist attacks carried out by the PLO after the failure of the Camp David summit in 2000 Sokolow v The Palestine Liberation Organization (I don’t actually know how the case finished will need to look in to that when I finish work as most political website are blocked).

The PLO tried to argue that bombing and shooting civilians in a café were acts of war, not terrorism, here’s some of what the judge said in reply:



Under the Camp David proposal the Palestine state would have been 100% of Gaza and around 70-75% of the West Bank, rising to 91% after all terrorist organisations had been disbanded. The only settlements that would have remained were those directly on the green line due to security issues, in return Israel would give some of the Negav region to the Palestinian State. Gaza and the West Bank would have been connected by a highway and railway allowing free passage of Palestinians between the two areas. Palestinians would also be given control over Islamic and Christian Holy sites. Israel would have kept control of the Jewish quarter of the Old City with the other 3 quarters being under Palestinian Control. As for the Temple Mount area, the most holy site in Judaism and the 3rd holiest site in Islam the offer was for it to remain in Israeli sovereignty but with the Palestinians taking custody of it therefore the two states would have to had worked together to ensure that both Muslims and Jews could access a site holy to both.[/ QUOTE]

Sorry Danni but was the judge Israeli? Either way he is an ill informed buffoon.

1) The camp David proposals were just that proposals, which were reneged on by the Israeli's almost as soon as they were signed. Currently any Palestinian state would only comprise 22% of Palestine after we take in the colonies, the roads and infrastructure and free fire zones around these Arab free areas on stolen Arab land.

2)Israels colonies dot the occupied west bank and are not on or near the green line. The apartheid wall is being built to include them; http://www.nad-plo.org/maps/wall/pdf/settlement map.pdf

3) The Negev is desert and the why would Palestinians want a bit of desert a hundred miles or more from the west bank.........bizzare. The Israeli's never had any intentions of allowing freedom of movement by road, simply unworkable and incredible that Arafat believed this.

4) The Israeli's have never offered Palestinians control of 3/4 of the old city or the tample mount, they refuse even to discuss it.

I can only guess you got this info from one of those crazy right wing pro-Israeli websites. By coincidence I had cause to spend time with a retired Jewish doctor who's parents escaped the *'s by a whisker. His ex-wife and sons now live in Israel. He doesn't like to go there because he believes that the Israeli's now treat Palestinians as 'untermenschen'. Below for me sums up what Israel is

"It is a tragedy of both our people. How can I explain in my poor English? I think the Arabs have the same rights as the Jews and I think it is a tragedy of history that a people who are refugees make new refugees. I have nothing against the Arabs ... They are the same as us. I don’t know that we Jews did this tragedy — but it happened."​

Shlomo Green, Jewish refugee from the Nazis, on learning that his home in Israel was taken from a Palestinian family in 1948

 

You ae arguing on 2 different subjects though and can't compare

 

Actually Danni the map below shows that Palestinians only had access to 54% of the west bank
http://www.nad-plo.org/maps/wall/pdf/NEW1.pdf

That was in 2006, and the colonisation has since been allowed to continue apace. Not only that but the south of the west bank has now been cut from the north by the extension of Jewish colonies to the east of Jerusalem. The apartheid wall is snaking in and out of the west bank to accomodate inland colonies and their new Jewish only roads..................and their free-fire zones.

The west bank is a self policed open air prison camp..............irrefutable fact!