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Is it true that the Scottish people are originally from Ireland

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by Shane, Aug 5, 2006.

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  1. Shane

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    Just done a wee bit of research, and so it's written is that the Scots were formed by an Irish colony.

    If it's true, then Scotland traditionally must be a Catholic country.

    I must say it that Scotland, and Ireland have a similar heritage.

    eg Gaelic language, and the music is very similar aswell.
     
  2. jonny_cfc_n01

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    I heard 95% of scottish people come from Ireland at some point

    The full of Britiain used to be catholic
     
  3. Overkill187 Batshitcrazy

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    did you know the celts lived where I live in switzerland many years ago just before some of them went to ireland
     
  4. Shane

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    Hopefully Ireland & Scotland team up one day, and finish England off for their troubles. I bet it was England who introduced the Protestant religion ?
     
  5. Jungle Bhoy

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    According to Billy Connolly then yes its true.
     
  6. jonny_cfc_n01

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    Henry the 8th did..so he could divorce his wife, like every other hun:celt_2: :shamrock:
     
  7. Shane

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    So England are the insiders ?
     
  8. wanmadtim Gold Member Gold Member

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    Do some more of that researchy stuff Shane and let us know where the Irish originate from will ya? :86: Thanks my man. Wanmadtim
     
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    No you's have it wrong the first people in britain were the celts which somehow came from the romans sometime(don't know the history on them) and they were catholics they also went to ireland and then it gets muddled up the protestants came with the normans who were kicked out by someone else but I don't know who
     
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    paah, it was all rosy til the english came in! lol ko!
     
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    * * Sarah you have that * backwards, its the English that had the roses, red and white! :86:
     
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    I'm sure Scotland was populated long before the catholic religion / christianity came to be, which was about 2000 years ago. I'm not big into history but I would guess the Celts and Picks pre date christians by a long long way.
     
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    everyone did used to be catholic , and certian people didnt like it and protested against the religeon hense protestant.


    who really gives a * about religeon anyway.

    the greater power = Noel Gallagher
     
  14. wanmadtim Gold Member Gold Member

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    You have it correct Boab67, the first inhabitants of Ireland were actually from Scotland...not the other way around as some people believe. These Mesolithic settlers arrived from Scotland by wooden boat to what's now known as county Antrim around 8000BC. Wanmadtim
     
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    Wanmadtim is correct in that modern-day Scotland was first populated by hunter-gatherers pursuing prey northward as the ice glaciers retreated. They started in in Europe, headed North into Britain, then West to Ireland

    In terms of culture and civilization, however, many scots are originally from Ireland, and the name "scot"(+tish) comes from Ireland. Once the Romans vacated Britain, the Picts (who were the first recorded culture in modern-day Scotland) began to push South and were replaced by Irish immigrants of the tribe "Scotti" (hence Scotland, Land of the Scotti).

    Henry VIII didn't create the protestant religion, only a strain (Anglican) of it. It was started in Germany by Martin Luther.

    Celts did not "come from the Romans", and in fact were around long before the Romans. The so-called "Celtic Empire" covered Northern Italy, Spain, Germany, the Balkans and Britain at one time. Most was conquered by the Romans except for Germany, which was conquered by various tribes (Vangals, Goths, Huns, etc.); the Northern tip of Britain; and Ireland. Celts were never catholic and had their own pagan religion not dissimilar to the Norse.

    Finally, the Normans were Catholic, not protestant.
     
  16. celtic_bhoy81

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    Actually... :84:

    The first known people in the British Isles were:

    Ireland - Scotti's/Celts
    England - Anglians
    Scotland - Picts

    The Picts were Scotland's first settlers before the Celtic culture came to Scotland. The Pictish and Celtic culture is very similar apart from the Picts were I believe Pagan and the Celts (who originated in the South East Asia believe it or not) of Ireland were Catholic. It was a priest from Ireland who used to talk with the Pictish leader who was the one who started the peaceful merge between the Picts and the Celts.

    Celtic as we know it today is a mix of Pict and Celt culture but it's called Celt because that was the predominant of the two.

    It was the Picts that the Romans feared in Scotland not the Celts.

    Scots are predominently a mix of the lost Picts, Irish and Nordic countries or Vikings to make it easier.

    Once Kevin McAlpine was the first King of what was known as Caledonia at the time then became Scottia, the Celtic influence was very dominante in Scotland.

    That to my knowledge is fact. Or close to it :50:
     
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    The Celts were never a strong, unified empire (that's why I use quotation marks in referring to it). It is a collection of many tribes with their own legends and traditions who warred eachother as often foreigners. Scotti in Ireland were a part of this collection, as were the Picts in Scotland, and the Averni in France, and the... etc. Their unification is a common held myth, as is the idea that Vercingetorix was their last king. Vercing was a king of the Averni (possibly the Aedui, but I'm 90% sure it's Averni) and controlled maybe 2/3s of France - the largest unification of Celtic lands ever.

    The best example I can give is how many historical books refer to the period from the 15th century to the 19th as a period of European domination. (West) Europe was never united, but spoke a similar language and had similar cultures, so are often classed together. Just as the French hate the Germans, the Aedui would've hated the Sequani, as an example. The idea of a "Celtic Empire" is simply a lable that is applied by historians.

    (Also, who are the Anglicans? [or "Anglians" :p]. Anglicans are people who subscribe to the Anglican faith, which was created by a schism in the catholic curch in the 1500s - long after our time period. I assume you're referring to Anglo-Saxons, but they too come after the period we're talking about, as they arrived after the dissolution of the Roman Empire.
     
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    That's the ones yeah :50:
     
  19. KentuckyBhoy

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    The Christian religion in general came to Scotland in sort of a roundabout way. The Romans brought it to modern-day England, St Patrick (born in Roman Britannia) brought it to Ireland and St. Columba (from Ireland) brought it to Scotland. At that time of course Catholicism was the only form of Christianity. John Knox was the primary reformer in the reformation in Scotland. England converted to Protestantism beginning in the late 1520's whereas Scotland didn't begin its reformation under Knox until around 1560. The two were connected, but England never forced reform on Scotland, but rather helped the Scottish Protestants. I'm afraid reform was self-inflicted though.
     
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