Is Mowbray already getting more support than Strachan?

"Strachan was not a crap manager. It's a fact that Strachan as Celtic manager = success."

strachan as celtic manager = team getting steadily worse, squad getting more and more average.

no competition from any other teams for 3 years = success

 

Yeah, his post match interviews were frustrating at times. He always came out with something positive about the team and I partly think that has to do with him not wanting to criticise them publically. I've no doubt that he'd privately tell the team exactly where they went wrong.

He won a minimum of one trophy per season when he was here and I'd say there was competition. I'd use the semi-final of the League Cup last season V Dundee Utd as an example. The team's form was a bit stale in the second half of last season but it was such a fine line between us finishing 1st and 2nd. 1 goal in each of our last two games and we'd be champions. It didn't help that two of our three main strikers were injured and completely lost form for most of last season.

I'm not stupid enough to think that Strachan didn't have flaws. He definitely did and sometimes he'd drive me mental with certain tactics and team selections. But he was a very successful manager with Celtic and I thank him for that. He deserves a lot more respect than he currently gets.

 

I am glad people are getting behind him and have faith in him. At the start I wasn't to keen but he has came in and signed 2 maybe 3 good player's. But time will tell hopefully he will do good for us. Roll on the season

 

I think Mowbray has more support because he seems much more trustworthy individual and he has a history with the fans.

That buys ye time with the picky * element in the support

 

"He won a minimum of one trophy per season when he was here and I'd say there was competition. I'd use the semi-final of the League Cup last season V Dundee Utd as an example..."

yes i agree we definitely had competition - but i think if we had a good manager, Dundee Utd shouldn't really be defined as good competition. Only because our budget is so much larger than theirs.

But we were quite badly managed, and they are very well managed, so their not far off us and can definitely match us/beat us in a one off contest.

 

I'm really looking forward to Tony Mowbray's reign as manager - but if he equals Celtic's record of success under Gordon Strachan I will be absolutely gobsmacked.

Delighted, obviously, but amazed.

Strachan worked wonders for us. And the fact that some people simply refuse to acknowledge that fact says a lot more about them than it does about him.

Knockout phase of the Champions League for the first time in our history. And the detractors, instead of celebrating like real supporters, said "Aye, luck. Let's see him do it again."

So he did it again. The next * season.

To deliberately blank out some of the finest achievements of our club in the last forty years is something I find very strange in anyone who calls themself a Celtic fan.

 

Couldn't agree more with The Hand, I think its a bit shallow to base your opinion on strachan by how he handled the media and ignore his ability to manage a football team. OK he made mistakes last season but I think he deserved a bit of leeway.

Mowbray might be more likeable media wise but i don't think we're suddenly going to start pumping teams because he prefers a more attacking style. (hope i'm wrong though :icon_mrgreen

 

I for one was behind wgs in the same way and every manager before him whether i thought he was the right man for the job and i support every player who comes in because all the managers and players are coming to my club and will be trying to bring success to my club so they get my backing

 

It felt like Strachan was lying to us after ever rubbish performance, either that or he actually believed what he was saying. Which ever was true it had to change. He treated us with contempt and didnt give the fans any real insight into the club. This was reflected in the empty seats for most spl games.

It was also frustrating when we really needed a win how he could never change the system and commit players to attack. Just an all round very frustrating time to watch the team.

 

I have to disagree with you. Strachan was a good manager for Celtic and Craig Levein is a good manager for Dundee Utd. Levein is good tactically and he's got an eye for talent. That's why Utd were good competition. We do have a much larger budget than Utd but teams can be set up to do a lot to stop us playing our game. That makes it difficult. It's what Celtic do when we face superior opposition in the Champions League.

As for being quite badly managed, I can't take you seriously. Celtic are a fantastically well run club and Strachan worked with the players every single day in training. I'd say that we were well managed during Strachan's time here. The trophy haul proves that on it's own.

 

I can't believe the sheer spite and anger in this post. Treated us with contempt?

Also it's a myth that he didn't adapt and commit players to attack when we needed a win. I mean sometimes last season we would play later parts of games with 3 strikers plus McGeady and Naka in advanced positions... Anyway throwing more strikers on does not necessarily make for a more attacking side.

 

I think most Celtic fans would agree that WGS had a fantastic record as manager, most of the flak thrown his way was down more to his attitude in press conferences with his off the cuff flippant remarks and inability to admit when the team had played badly. Remarks along the lines of the 'fans don't know what they are talking about' didn't endear him to everyone. I actually liked the guy and thought a lot of his comments were tongue-in-cheek....If he were manager of any other club those silly comments would be soon forgoten with good results on the park.....But Celtic managers must carry themselves in a certain way.....A man must show respect in order to get respect.

Tony Mowbray is at the start of his career as Celtic manager and as of yet hasn't been in charge for a competitive match so we can't compare their teams or achievements. Mowbray though, in the interviews i have seen has conducted himself impecably.....the man oozes integrity and has a very dignified air about him. He comes across as being honest and upfront. Being a former respected player has helped him in being accepted by the fans.

So I would agree Mowbray is being accepted more readily by the Celtic fans than Strachan was.....Now if he can produce the same level of consistency (or better) than the wee fella (Three league titles and CL progression) then we will have the complete package sitting in the managers chair. I for one wish the big man all the best!

 

Brilliant!

 

I don't think there was any spite and anger in the guys post mmmikey, he just gave his views as he saw them. I backed Strachan 100% when he was manager but he wasn't perfect.

 

Thanks for your reply. I think Strachan conducted himself well especially when it was needed. As an example, when Tommy Burns died, Strachan showed a lot of dignity and respect then. I don't believe that Strachan had an inability to admit when the team played badly. Just because he doesn't say it to the press doesn't mean he doesn't do it in private with the team. When McGeady was dropped, I remember reading that Burns used to be the buffer between him and Strachan. Strachan was critical of McGeady and he will have been with other players. Reading his auto-biography gives further evidence of this. So I disagree that he had an inability to admit when the team was playing badly.

I pretty much agree with you here. Being a respected former player helps. But what I was getting at was that I've seen people saying they already have faith in Mowbray's management even though he hasn't managed a competitive match for Celtic yet. Don't get me wrong, I 100% back Mowbray and I'm excited to see how this season turns out. But this is a man who's team finished 20th out of 20 last season. I know he had financial constraints that other Premiership clubs didn't, but I also read that he refused to change his 'footballing philosophy' even when results weren't going his way. The fact that he got West Brom relegated should be a small warning sign to us about being overly optimistic about his reign. We are not going to win the league easily and it'll be very tough work to get to the CL group stages this year.

 

I suppose theres not much point arguing now its in the past but...

The guy said Strachan lied to us and treated the fans with contempt. That is rubbish in my view.

 

Agreed ,Lied about what exactly ? Strachan came in and delivered and he has left Mowbray and future managers with a lot to live up to ,if any manager can match what he achieved he will be doing well .

 

I think we are both singing from the same hymn sheet mate. Strachan conducted himself impeccably when Tommy died, and showed a real warmth and affection for Tommy, he dealt with that with great dignity and in a respectful manner. The point i was trying to make was that at times in his press conferences he could have been less flippant and been more dignified bearing in mind he was manager of Celtic. He acted at times like a spoilt wee boy, if an interviewer asked a question he didn't want to answer he often became abrupt, sometimes bordering on being obnoxious....That for me, is no way for a Celtic manager to behave, particularly with millions watching on TV. Some of his press conferences made me actually cringe with embarressment.......and I actually liked the man....But for me, he made things hard for himself with the support by his attitude. Sure he could be funny and give some great one-liners.....but other times....he was just bad mannered.

As for Mowbray, I am excited going into this new season, but for us fans he starts with a clean slate just like the players.....He has it all to prove. I have been a Celtic fan since i was seven (some forty-six years ago) and I`m not one to go overboard with ANY new manager. I give EVERY manager my backing through thick and thin....Wee Strachan got my support 100% and so will Tony Mowbray.

Every manager has flaws, Strachan had them....and as sure as night follows day....we will find that Tony has them as well.....Everyone needs to accept this and realise that at the end of the day EVERY manager tries to do their best for the club. Hail Hail!

 

I agree with you here. He does come across as stubborn and he was flippant with his responses a lot of the time. Hail Hail.