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It was Strachans tactics that lost us 2 points

Discussion in 'Celtic Chat' started by maca1983, Apr 14, 2009.

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  1. maca1983

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    I think Strachans far too negative away from home gone are the days where we would win 3,4,5 -0 away , he is giving teams far too much respect and this is why we are struggling . Would it surprise anybody if i told you that Celtic have only won 1 away match in 2009 !!! with us drawing 4 and losing 1 . Tell me is that championship form? Celtic should a;ways play there best 11 not look at hearts and say "oh no we better change out team" its bollocks !

    Caldwell in midfield is a joke !! its so so negative
     
  2. Sydney Fenian

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    I have to agree with the above. We use to win by 3, 4 and 5 away and at the end of the day, the celtic team is worth alot more than any other team in the SPL and as such should always win and by good margins (even against the huns). Man City and Mark Huges are under pressure to perform and so should Celtic and Strachan. I have a bad feeling about this season with Strachan in charge. Any chance of Moyes doing a dash?
     
  3. maca1983

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    That would be great ! I would even take Mobray also he plays good football and would be a breath of fresh air. Have a bad feeling about the run in for the title now! We should have been sailing by now but our form is terrible (espiecally away) I think WGS still thinks he is managing the likes of Coventry and Southampton with his play for the draw attitude it doesnt wash with Celtic fans .....although some people on this forum seem to think that a point at Tynecastle is something to celabrate, everyone knows that when you draw or lose to an SPL team (other than Rangers) its un acceptable although it happpens but too often under Strachan and his wierd team selection and * signings ..GET HIM OUT!
     
  4. Nimrod.

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    Spot on Minty it's time this was sorted out the Hearts goal at the weekend was about a foot inside the post he has conceded far to many free kicks this season and gets away with it scot free because he is the fans favourite.
     
  5. squire_2

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    Placing the blame on Boruc is * laughable. It just proves what i've thought for a long time, that there are a section of the support who refuse to criticize the manager at any time, even when he thoroughly deserves it.

    What's it going to take for people to realize that kind of attitude is unhealthy if you want your club to be the best it can be?
     
  6. Nimrod.

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    Maybe the that came out wrong and should have said tha I thoughtr Boruc was to blame for the goal not the game . Clearly the manager picked the wrong team after scoring 8 and conceding 0 in our last 2 games why change it imo the team played better in the second half with Crosas in the team why he never started is mystery and as for him playing Flood was a stupid thing to do 1 start to previous to this game and clearly unfit yes squire the manager deserves the blame imo
     
  7. jcwelsh

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    So now we are saying that both goals were mistakes by the keepers. That's still a draw whatever way you paint it.

    Who honestly here can say that Strachen got it right with playing Flood ahead of Naka.

    Flood's last game was against Rangers at home, how can anyone defend swapping Naka for a player who hasn't played since valentines weekend. (2 months ago). I remember flood was played ahead of McGeady that day and need I mention that Celtic played not to lose that day. Was that the plan on Saturday ? is that how you win leagues
     
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  9. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Are you saying that Boruc couldn't have done better with the free kick? I certainly think he could have. I'm not afraid to criticise Strachan at all but I don't think there was much more he could have done yesterday. In my opinion, we were unlucky not to win it in the second half.
     
  10. WEEMAN7

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    I don't think it was strach that lost us 2 points at the weekend, the blame's got to lie at the * bottling players(apart from 2 or 3) with no fire in their bellies or will to win a game thats running away from them. Too many individuals looking for personal victories instead of playing as a team, supporting each other & putting a shift in. Not strach's fault but it's easier to blame him, if flood scored the winner, strach would still get slated. I've got to say tho, with the amount of creative midfielders we have at the club, cauldwell shouldn't be anywhere near that position & should play where he's needed AT CENTRE BACK!!
     
  11. squire_2

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    Am saying that the usual suspects are using Boruc as a smoke screen because they refuse to accept that Strachan regularly makes an * of it. We never lost the game because of Boruc, we lost the game because we are inconsistent and played the wrong players.

    It was a terrific free-kick, and in the second half Boruc won us a point with the finger tip save he made.

    You say there's not much more GS could have done yesterday, which just baffles me to be brutally honest. We have dropped points far to many times for it to be labelled 'unlucky', how anyone can still deny we have major problems the now is beyond me.
     
  12. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    It was 1-1. We didn't lose.

    Yes it was a well struck free kick, but Boruc's positioning was awful.

    I haven't said that we are always unlucky. The zonal marking system we've employed has cost us too many times from set pieces, especially at Pittodrie. I just thought that we were unlucky not to score in the second half. To be fair, Hearts defended well.
     
  13. green_t

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    OP, do you ever have anything good to say about Celtic?

    The reason I ask is because I see your name pop up from from time to time on here and it's always to stick the knife into WGS, never do I see you on a good day when things are going well. If I didn't know any better I would say there was a funny smell about here.

    A point at Tynecastle is not a bad result, hearts have been going well as of late, and im sure the huns will struggle there aswell.

    Why don't you take your negativity somewhere else, we're at the business end of the season and everybody has to pull together for the run in, the * you spout just puts a damper on things.
     
  14. squire_2

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    Sorry i meant to say dropped points.

    There's no way am goanny sit here and put the blame on Boruc when there are far more important factors in us not being able to win a game away from home. The word scapegoat springs to mind and i think it's out of order he is taking the flack for the team and managers' shortcomings.
     
  15. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    I'm not blaming the whole match on Boruc but he did cost us that goal which led to us drawing.

    Boruc has not had a good season and deserves the criticism that comes his way. His professionalism is not at the standard it should be.

    Edit: I thought Flood was pish on Saturday and putting him in turned out to be a mistake. But I'm sure that both Flood and Strachan thought he would play better. But Strachan got it right when he took him off.
     
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    Few things to say on this matter.
    1. How many times has caldwell played in midfield in this season and we have won in normal time? I can remember 1 st mirren away and thats from bout at least 6 games. This doesnt work as it weakens both our defence and midfield as caldwells to slow on ball and not a good midfielder but is a very good centre half this season. For me turning a good defender into a poor midfielder isnt clever.
    2. The team looked like no one knew where they were meant to be playing in the first half and were second to hearts in every category such as skill, desire, determination, fitness, work rate and aggression, was a very poor performance from our boys.
    3. Why when we score a goal in a game now do we seem to resort to this negative slow sitting of style of play, we won the league last year by getting in teams faces and getting stuck in, not with super football. With the team that was fielded at the weekend they didnt have the quality to retain the ball for any length of time and never pressed the game. I know that hearts came flying out after conceeding early on but we should ave been able to match them, and we certainly did not.
    4. Is it just me or playing negatively for 80 minutes and having a go sounds awful like the tactics we slate old walter for thats what we did on saturday.
    5. Crosas being left out due to physical was a joke he won more challanges and got stuck in more than any of first half midfield did when he came on. The daily ranger said caldwell and brown were 8 out of 10 what game were they watching they were both woeful in first half and not much improved in 2nd.
    6 I fear for the run in we have only beaten 1 top 6 team this year hibs at home and we have got all them to play 3 of them away from home, i think the team needs someone who can come in like robson did last year and get bit of drive in a flat looking celtic team who really struggled against anyone willing to roll up their sleeves and make it difficult for them.
     
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  18. squire_2

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    I think Boruc has played extremely well the past few weeks for Celtic, he's looked like he's close to being back to his best. The previous months of shocking form shouldn't be forgotten but when that form improves he deserves credit which he's obviously not getting.

    There are hundreds of reasons you could nitpick as to why we've lost or drawn all those games since the turn of the year, but they all have one thing in common - they all happened! No matter what spin you try and put on it we are not getting results.

    Last season we were * off because we were absolutely dire to watch, but we dug out the 3 points in the vast majority of games so criticism of the team/manager was a bit of a side issue. Now however those criticisms are far more serious as we are failing to dig out the results and if we lose the league i will be absolutely livid with the manager as the buck will stop with him as it does with every other club on the planet.
     
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    fantastic. lol lol lol

    Thats the kind of thing we expect to here WGS say in one of his interviews
     
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  20. Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    I don't think that positioning yourself like that can be considered playing 'extremely well'. Granted, his form has improved but he's not near his best in my opinion.

    Once again I ask, are you saying that Boruc couldn't have done better with the free kick on Saturday?

    I'm not trying to put a spin on the fact that we're not getting as many results as we want. Like every other fan, I'm not happy about it. But we're unbeaten in 10 games at the moment. That's not a terrible statistic although it should be a lot better.

    Like I've already said, I do think we should have won more matches. The thing I've been most disappointed about this season is the amount of injuries we've had and the complete loss of scoring form of JVOH and Samaras after their recoveries. In most other seasons, the amount of injuries we've had would have already ruined our title chances.

    Another thing I'd like to point out is that we did actually have a 12 game winning streak. A lot of those games were the type where we 'dug out results'.