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Rangers are only another team we play against. . .they have nothing to do with the fundemental issues we are discussing on this thread. . .

Rangers have nothing to do with Celtic. . .just because they are our biggest and closest rivals, does not mean we have to give tham a second thought when discussing our club and what we are about.

 

what have they got to do with celtic? celtic and rangers are not the same thing. two separate clubs. the only similarity is they both share the same city.

 

you've not answered my question though. why should we respect the rangers fans singing billy boys and derry's walls?

 

Why would you have a problem with it?

I'll need to make my thoughts very clear here.

I stand by the fact that I think politics should stay out of football and I don't actually think that hoisting up a Union Jack is a good idea due to the controversy it would surely create.

I don't think I asked you the right question. I shouldn't have put the 'due to them being a monarchist' part at the end. Forgive me I'm getting tired.

But surely if Celtic are truly a club 'open to all', then we should be fine with people waving Union Jacks at Celtic Park. We are after all, a British club.

What I mean by Celtic being a British club is simply the fact that we're geographically located in the UK.

 

I'm simply making a valid point - if this was Rangers fans having his discussion, wouldn't we be quick to condem them? Why should we bring our politics into football grounds when activley calling for punishments on Rangers for doing just that?So their politics are different and repulsive. But one for rule for us and another for them? That's not the Celtic way.

 

How many of you demand they respect the singing of BOTOB and such?

Or do we demand the right to sing our politics while silencing them? What does that make us? What does that make our politics?

The only way is to keep the politics out of the stadiums. It will always be an aspect amongst the supporters, I know that, but it must not be brought into the stadium.

 

Mate, that post is just ridiculous sorry !!

 

No offence taken.

It is simply a view that politics and sport are like water and oil to me. Other sports don't seem to have the same political issues being brought up by fans as far as I can see.

In my opinion, football to millions of people all over the world is based on a love of the sport and not the politics that can sometimes come with it.

Another problem I have (not meaning you) is that a lot of people only seem to air political beliefs at football matches. That's idiotic in my opinion and just looking for drama, controversy and the opportunity to wind other people up.

 

Aye right, what you are saying is we are an irish club, WRONG we are a scottish club with irish roots, located in the UK therefore a British club.

 

Well, we are in the UK and playing in a British league. But we are the club of ALL the people, a bridge across cultures and borders. Thats what makes us a special club, because we are more than just another club: We are the club of the people.

 

Care to elaborate on why it is ridiculous? We are by geographical location a British club. Read the last sentence on the post. I mean that we are a British club purely because we are based in the UK.

So often I read, Celtic were the first British club to win the European Cup. Are the people who write that wrong?

 

as ive said in previous posts celtic and ireland and republicanism have a connection. thats why i believe celtic fans have a right to sing these songs. whats the connection between rangers and ireland? why do their fans sing derrys walls and the billy boys?

 

the fundamental point here is. . .the randers' fans politics are frowned upon by the majority of the right minded people of the world. . .

Orangism is an exclusive organisiation that is anti this that and the other. . .Rangers fans celebrate this. . .They think that they are better than other human beings . . ."We Are The People" ??

so yes theyre politics are repulsive, to anyone else other than people in this country who have just accepted it as the norm.

Again. . .This has nothing to do with Celtic and the discussion we are having about Celtic. . .Lets leave them to do what they want to do. . .It really dosnt bother me

 

Rangers have a historic connection to Unionism and Monarchism going back decades, over a century even. They have historically identified with a Protestant identity.

Why shouldn't they be allowed to bring their politics into the fold, but we can? Because we don't like theirs? Whatever politics that is, I don't like it.

And like I said, what connection does a Protestant Unionist of pure Scottish descent have with Ireland or Republicanism? None. So can't he be as much a Celt as we are?

 

This thread has become a * farce, i say it should be locked now.

 

That is a good one you brought up there mate. . .I suppose in a lot of ways that maybe tongue in cheek. . .maybe not.

do you see yourself as british. . .Are you proud of the british ethos, would you fly the flag of the union and sing rule brittania ??

I live in Glasgow. . .No-one will tell me I'm british. . .And I'm sure Brother Walfrid did not establish a British club. . .

These are the reasons I think your post was ridiculous.

 

because you have nothing intelligent to back up your previous hilarities ??

If you think the thread is a farce, stop reading it.

 

But what right do we have calling for their politics to banned from football while demanding the right to sing our own, at times highly controversal, views? None. Equal rights demands equal treatment.

The only option fair on everyone is remove politics from football grounds.

And Rangers are very relevant to the point I'm trying to make regarding double standards and were your logical argument is leading.

 

Why? We're having a reasonable, friendly debate

 

If someone asks my nationality I say Scottish. However, I'm also a citizen of the UK and that makes me British.

I have many positive AND negative things say about Britain. However, this isn't the place for it. I don't know the lyrics to Rule Brittania so no I wouldn't sing it.

By the geographical location alone, Brother Walfrid did set up a British club. I mean that by location only.