McManus turn in your armband.

My question was in relation to your post re the motivational capabilities of both Ferguson and McManus.You made the comparison between the two,not me.I dont recall too many complaints about Mick's motivational abilities after winning the league last season.

I think overall this thread is a poor show.Where are the threads condemning Samaras and Naka?If they had taken one of the gilt edged chances that came their way we wouldnt be having this debate.

 

I think your spot on with that last paragraph gary, there is a similar thread on Scott Brown and probably other ones i can't recall the now. I just think it's out of order people will jump down the throats of the players who have recently been made scapegoats ie Brown and McManus. Both of which, by the way, have came through their bad patches and started to play well.

 

Well you obviously knew the answer, so why ask the question? And it is just my opinion. If you have a different opinion then fair enough.

 

actually I had totally given up on him last season but I think he has been back to his first season form this season. When on top from he is a decent player, one of the best Scottish CBs. His problem is he has to play at the top of his form to be acceptable level for a Celtic player. He is not good enough to get away with losing form. Got to admit though we could do a bit better. On the other hand, Caldwell has turned into some player. He lacks serious pace but he now has everything else you could hope for in a CB. I dont think we can do much better than him without shelling out 5 or 6 million which wont happen. One other thing. I hate the way Loovens is being scapegoated. How many games has he played? How many games did it take Caldwell, Hinkel, Hartley, Brown Sammy etc to really show how decent they are. Probably 20 or 30 games. I think Loovens will show he is a very very decent player if he starts regularly. I think those who cant see his qualities are as blind as they were when they couldnt see Caldwells potential. The guy is immense in the air, fast for a big guy, a good tackler, can pass well and is really two footed. The one thing that takes time is the CB partnering thing and all the stuff about positioning, offside traps etc. I would like to see a Caldwell-Loovens partnership get 5 or 6 games on the bounce.

 

Its a factor but remember in his 2nd season WGS dropped Lenny for JJ for a few games until it became clear JJ couldnt handle SPL type football. I think a big factor now is that the Mick-Caldwell partnership has looked very very solid this season. Even v Aalborg I dont think Mick and Loovens did badly. One goal was a fluke deflection and another was a freak deflection OG. They didnt have a lot of change out of the CBs otherwise. I personally think Loovens was bought with a view to replacing Mick. He is a left sided CB although he is so 2 footed you wouldnt know it. This somehow made Mick step up to the plate and he has been very decent this season.

 

Its a forum mate.We are all entitled to an opinion.

If people think you are a better captain because you shout more or clap your hands more loudly,fair dues.I happen to think there is a bit more to it than that.

People seem to be suggesting in this thread that because McManus appears quieter than some other skippers,that he isnt qualified for the job.This is nonsense IMO.Judge him on results and performances,not his personality or demeanour on the park.

I'll tell you one thing though,there was nobody more gutted on Tuesday than McManus.

 

Yes there was ME

 

SAID IT FROM DAY 1 ME AND MY MUM HAS SAID FROM DAY 1 HE CUDNAE CAPTAIN A PUB TEAM I WOULD GIVE IT TO ROBBO BROWN OR HARTLEY ANY OTHER PPO U FINK WUD BE A GD CAPTAIN

 

was the camera on mick after they scored for ever no it wasnt just because when u seen it he was clapping. Players that play with him say hes a great captain and strachan who has been a manager for over 10 years picked him so he must be captain material. He has led us 2 the title for last 2 seasons give him a break

 

caldwell, JVOH, robson, Boruc <- they wud all make good captains... come to think of it so wud hartley

 

I dont know what people think a captain should be. Mcmanus has ties to Celtic traditions and has been seleted as CLUB CAPTAIN. This role involves more than shouting at folk and clapping hands.

He is a competent stopper, Look back to who else has worn the armband, Tom Boyd ( after 5-1 at Ibrox was he to turn in armband) McNamara, he wasnt asked to turn it in in MONs last season when we couldnt kill off a team, surely if he clapped more we'd have won league?

I suppose cacas goal deflected off the armband and if it had been on the arm of Robson we'd be through.

Next youll want WGS sacked for not jumping like MON when we score.

ENuff of all this please

 

Mcmanus just needs to be more aggressive, look how well both central defenders played in the last two old firm games last season. You seen the real Barry ferguson in they games, he's quite happy to shake oppositon's players hands when he has won. But when he's lost all he wanted to do was get in a fight with Mcmanus, i think Mcmanus took that on board and from there was fantastic.

 

There is this mythical captaincy role that a lot of people think is of great importance, like being "Celtic minded" or playing football "the Celtic way".

Andy grabbed this off the Follow Follow site, but it just shows that a lot of folk, not just fans of this club have overinflated ideas of what a captain is:

Cheerio Barry.
An excuse for a captain.

A captain who tries to bully team-mates, and dish out blame every time he makes a mistake.

A captain who refuses to stand up and be counted.

A captain who is a weak link in midfield.

A captain who thinks it is ok to be friends with the likes of Hartley and Lennon.

A captain my *. Your time is up Barry.


This is a captain who has been complemented on being a "real" captain.

I'd rather be winning leagues than have a "real" captain. Lennon was a "real" captain and he wasn't as successful as Mick has been. Nor Lambert.

 

i must be one of our most successful captains in the last 40 years

 

Only problem i had making himCaptain is it makes him hard to drop and at his young age thats not a good thing imho. A wee boot up the backside now and again focuses players minds.

 

that goes for everyplayer though and the way strachan is rotating its could only really be a center half or the goalkeeper cos they are holding there spot

 

mick is a decent defender but he frustrates the * out of me with his boot the ball up and give away possesion style. as has been said a million times he shouldnt be undropable.

my memory is a bit jaded on the subject but was boyd not dropped a lot when he was club captain at the start of mon's era?

 

I'd be tempted to say he should have made Boruc captain but he's a wee bit undiplomatic maybe lol