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Cultural appropriation.

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by Bad Ambassador, Jul 1, 2025.

  1. Callum McGregor

    Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Well you're allowed to be wrong I suppose.
     
  2. NomDePlum

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    Sure there are lots of examples but the one that always makes me think is that using the term Colored in the US is offensive to Black Americans but in other parts of the world, notably South Africa it is considered part of peoples identity.

    And because of that people are expected to not hold onto their own culture.
     
  3. NomDePlum

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    Thought the images at the end were a bit out of sync with the rest @Bad Ambassador but FFS it's YouTube and your own editing so would just ignore the comments unless you feel there is anything to address. Interested to see the next one. It's all a learning exercise.

    Seen similar and sure if it'd been the images to David Holmes or LTJ Bukem track people would look past any quirkiness.

    Quite liked the track BTW.
     
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  4. Sween

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    Such is life. Keep fighting the good fight :86:

    The most ludicrous example that springs to my mind is when black Americans asked the singer Adele to apologise for getting cornrows. She had got it done every year at the Nottinghill carnival by her black friends since she was a teen. It was part of a wholly positive cultural exchange between various diasporas to share and swap culture that had been led by non white immigrants and is now a proud success. Yet, because America thinks differently Brits have to bow to their cultural interpretations.

    UB40 'culturally appropriating' reggae also made me laugh. A band of proud multi-ethnic, card carrying socialists, being criticised because their up-stroke rhythm guitar sound is some sort of colonial oppression.

    It is a grift.
     
  5. Callum McGregor

    Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    I'm not fighting anything tbh, it exists whether you/others recognise it or not.
     
  6. FCBarca

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    I had an argument with a NY Karen 1%er who claimed my 9 year old daughter who aspired to her birthday party being held in nearby mountain camp site with teepees was cultural appropriation of Native American heritage…in Switzerland

    People have lost their minds
     
  7. BigManSmalls

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    I agree with @Sween it does feel like another level of the Americanized, virtue signalling, politically correct nonsense used to make people feel good for being offended on someone else's behalf.

    If cultural appropriation was a real issue, Halloween would be canceled.

    It reminds me of this video I seen a few years ago. White guy dressed in full Mexican costume. All the students think it's offensive. All the Mexicans love it.



    Culture isn't invented or owned. It's inherited and shared.
     
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  9. Callum McGregor

    Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Just like Sween, you've clearly completely misunderstood what it actually is.
     
  10. Westlondonscot

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    I think the reality is cultural appropriation is a thing, but the it's become a bit of a buzz word and thrown around so much it's lost the full meaning it once had. In America it seems to be doing something or enjoying something of another culture. Over here the only time I've really heard it was when Jamie Oliver released * rice, when * rice would have been a more apt name. When you stop using a phrase properly, it loses it's power when it should be used because people no longer take it seriously.

    By American definition they are all guilty of it, saying apple pie is an american dish, evidence shows it being made in medieval England and Scotland. Apples aren't even native to the Americas.

    Cultures are formed over centuries and not in a day and I think that's more realised over here. Embracing and celebrating other cultures is not a bad thing. Cultures mix and create new cultures. In the UK things like pasta and curries are staples of people's diet, both coming from immigrants, there's other things like peri peri, kebabs, chinese food etc. Curry houses are a well respected thing here. We've seen music adapt with 60's and 70's blues rock having a big influence from music by black artists, even the 80s ska revival.

    It should be used when discussing exploitation, and there were some examples of fashion houses being guilty of it in the article posted. Minstrel shows are an example too, essentially making a profit off of mocking of a culture. While cultural appropriation isn't nonsense the modern day usage of it often is.
     
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  11. Callum McGregor

    Callum McGregor The Captain Gold Member

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    Part of the issue is that there needs to be more nuanced discussion about it, and just because it has been diluted doesn't mean it doesn't still happen, which is obviously inappropriate and disrespectful. Anyone dismissing it as nonsense is being incredibly obtuse.
     
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    It definitely needs more discussion. The problem is people are dismissing it due to the diluted use, and I think the people diluting it are at fault here not really the people dismissing it. People need to discuss it so they can learn what it actually means, when to use it and when not to. I think the current usage of it helps the right wing nutters, as it is used in a very separatist way.
     
  13. Bad Ambassador

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    @Callum McGregor I don't think anyone can claim any culture as their own. For example, compare me to Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince, he likes Jazz whereas I have loved hiphop music all of my life.
    Is he in any position to tell me not to listen to copious lyricals based on being the wrong race?
    By the law of cultural appropriation, the answer would be yes..
    That's wrong because out of the two of us, I love the culture more. Or am I missing something?
     
  14. Sean Daleer

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    Carlton hated Jazz. He constantly hit on his sister :giggle1:
     
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    Could you give some examples of what you think is cultural appropriation?
     
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    Oh,
    I was just guessing but I was tryna make a point lol
     
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    I should've said Tom Jones.
     
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    Do you have an example of something inappropriate and disrespectful? I'm not saying you're wrong, but a few posters have given examples of things that we don't think are a real issue, so it would be good to discuss something you've seen that fits the bill.
     
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  19. Sean Daleer

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    I got the reference mate I was just messing with you.

    Carlton liked Jazz but hated Jazzy Jeff :giggle1:

    I'm a big fan of the fresh prince. The new one seems decent and very different from the original
     
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    Classic mate. Tuesday, 6 pm bbc 2. My da saying ''turn that * off I wanna see the news'' :giggle1: then after that, we knew a guy too who got us free cable, all the * channels you could ever imagine.
     
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