Brendan Rodgers Discussion Thread

I'd be more concerned if he was not winning trophies.

But he's won lots of them

The facts speak for themselves. He has faults the same as everyone else in football. But he wins trophies. That is surely what judges the man's success. This tells me that overall he's getting it right. I do not see another way of looking at it.

 

I like Rodgers, Im glad we have him and I hope he signs a new deal. And people do go over the score when we lose.

But this isnt the 70s or even the 00s. Celtic has a monopoly over Scottish football that isnt comparable to previous decades. We spent more on Trusty than Aberdeen has on their whole squad. We have enough cash in the bank to literally buy Rangers.

So of course expectations change to reflect that. Its fair to acknowledge that we cant win everything but also acknowledge our short comings. To have 70m in the bank and finish that game with that team doesnt sit right. Selling our main striker and not replacing him in january doesnt sit right. And spending 25m on Trusty, Idah and Engels has been ridiculous. That on top of Rodgers just getting the game management wrong yesterday, starting Kuhn over forest, and failing to have a plan B.

Not all of that is on Rodgers, but some of it is. Ultimately it feels like weve coasted this season, weve won the league because the other horse fell to bits, and weve had to go to pens in both cup finals. Of course it isnt a failure but it does feel a bit uninspiring when we have the potential to be much better.

 

I don’t go on about any of them either. The Lisbon Lions, the 90s…all utterly irrelevant when talking about how good or not we should be now.

Your first point I’m going to ignore because it’s so pathetic it doesn’t even deserve a response.

I’m more concerned about performances. Twisty was spot on…sometimes you can see things happen before they do. Are you seriously, honestly, telling me that you have no concerns over what you watched in the games against the huns and that yesterday? About our away form this second half of the season?

Nothing that makes you think “Hmm, this isn’t like us. We’re usually better than this?”

Because if you’re not even slightly concerned, then you’re lying or wilfully ignorant.

If people are delighted about winning a double I have no problem with that. Of course it’s great to win trophies. But there’s absolutely signs that we have to be concerned about or, as a club, we allow our standards to slip. It’s not moaning for the sake of moaning. It’s watching our level of performance and realising that we have to improve again next season or we’ll regress.

And using language like “the players and manager have been awesome”. I’m sorry but I find that way over the top. I actually don’t think there’s been many players who have been brilliant this season. And the manager has a few black marks against his name. One being his inability to beat Barry Ferguson in two games.

 

Martin O'Neil lost the league twice to rangers, lost a Scottish Cup Final and a League Cup Final to them aswell. Completely bottled it at Fir Park in 2005

I cannot remember people wanting him sacked however....if I remember correctly the consensus was that he had been brilliant for us in general and won us many trophies

 

True. But can you honestly say you've enjoyed watching us play at points this season? How you win is also important and I've not been impressed with how we play the game in recent months.

 

MON’s time is irrelevant to now. The league as a whole was better. The huns were streets above the current huns team. And we made it to a European final.

Rodgers has been brilliant for us. I don’t think anyone is denying it. But it’s not this binary world you seem to live in where winning trophy = no problems. You are completely ignoring any context or the level of performance that comes with winning these trophies. It’s proper weird.

 

Well once again it's the facts mate that Trump subjective opinions.

2 out of 3 domestic trophies. Latter stages of the Champions League.

People won't read the history books and come away with the conclusion...."aye but they're form 2nd half of the season wasn't as good..."

My question is why are fans being given success on a plate and can't appreciate it?
At what point will the moaning stop.

Do we need to hammer Real Madrid 6 nil before people stop criticising Rodgers? What is it going to take for people to appreciate the man and the success he has achieved??

 

Is that a serious comparison? The Rangers side of the 2000s was significantly close to us in ability and the league was much more competitive.

Any half decent manager wins the league pretty much every season with us for the past ~15 years, rangers are still no where near us but we’ve started to let our standard drop.

With Rodgers, I don’t really care about losing today, we can’t win every trophy every year. However, the performances have been poor for quite a while and that’s an issue, it’s been so boring. We absolutely dwarf every team in the league financially so I do expect better performances. We pay Rodgers a stupid amount of money for a Scottish league manager.

When Ange was in charge, losing didn’t concern me to much because the performance was always there. We lost I think 3-0 to Madrid a few years back, when McGregor hit the post early on, and we had a few great chances to take the lead before getting punished. How we perform matters and that’s where Rodger’s has been really poor for me, the football has went back to boring side to side rubbish and playing Idah up top without anyone really playing crosses or getting him the ball to hold up which means it’s pointless him even playing.

 

It's not weird. We are winning trophies. I do not think there is another club in britain that would win 2 out of 3 trophies and start moaning about performance levels 2nd half of the season.

This is the present. You are correct. And presently if 2 out of 3 trophies is a step down from our usual treble and people find this a reason to complain then I simply can't put enough into perspective for you....if I don't talk about the past

 

You are continuing to miss the point. The whole point is that the warning signs for next season are there.

Our form this second half of the season has been way below par, even in comparison to the first half of this season. Rodgers himself has looked tactically below par in a number of matches in this period.

Now if we radically improve next season then nobody will give a * about these last 6 months. Myself included. But it’s quite clearly a warning for next season that we have to improve.

Because if we start next season the way we’ve ended this season, both in terms of performances and results, then we allow ourselves to be pulled back into the pack.

 

I like Rodgers and want him to sign an extension.
There are many, many things he does right.

However I am really worried by his apparent one dimensional thinking / arrogance on team selection, formation etc.
Nothing ever changes regardless of what happens on pitch.
Same team, same subs, same approach, same formation all at roughly the same times in every game.
Outplayed by Rangers 4 times in a row - no changes to approach, formation and players.
Has an obsession/fixation about left/right centre halves - how can he not see Trusty (and Nawrocki) are way better than Scales.

Biggest concern though is the negative, walking pace, look after the ball, midfield play and players.
It's a constant issue, so either it's coached (I don't think so, because Brendan for the umpteenth time this season pointed this out publicly) or it's the players combined with coaches inability to change it.
Worryingly, we seem to always start games like that, slow and negative - only to be saved by the subs and bit more urgency late on.
That is how the coach is sending the players out, are we too relaxed, arrogant, scared?

There were 2-3 minutes left in yesterday's final and we kept passing the ball side and back for roughly 90 seconds of that time. Mostly the player shirking the responsibility to play forward pointed to where it should go instead of playing it themselves.
That's a really bad sign, is the jersey too heavy for some?

 

He's been back almost 24 months, just scored 112 in the league and averaged 3 goals a game across all competitions.

Some people lose their * minds when we lose a game.

We don't have a * given right to win everything.

Yesterday was * and a sore one to take but folk are calling for his sacking. It's complete hysteria.

 

If you remember that Real Madrid game...Maeda missed a glaring sitter....everyone hated him and he was not Celtic standard....pish imitation of Kyogo etc....

People are wrong.

They want to find a reason to criticise Brendan most of the time and unfortunately tye same people won't learn until the day Brendan is gone and we have an inferior manager who's record won't come close

 

I remember the game but I don’t remember the hate because it isn’t how I felt. I miss those times as we were genuinely exciting to watch, it was entertaining.

Rodgers has been extremely successful for us, but in all seriousness, what competition has he really had?

Our finances dwarf every team significantly, including rangers. We spent a record fee on Engels, they don’t have any money to spend.

You got back to the 2000s, we spent £6m on Sutton, Harrison, Lennon and they spent £12m on Flo. Both teams were full of top internationals. We don’t have anything near that level of competition anymore.

I’m not complaining that we lost today or when we lose matches, like j said we can’t win everything all the time. My concern is the performances have been getting worse this season. We’ve regressed and we’re boring to watch. I also don’t trust Rodgers to make the necessary signings to fix it. We have a squad capable of and more than likely will end up winning the league next season but I think it’s going to be super boring again. We’ll lose some top players and replace them with players that aren’t at the required level. Or that’s how I feel anyway.

 

He praises players then the next game they are either dropped or on the bench:
Sinisalo
Nawrocki
Forrest

 

I understand what you are saying. But we cannot hold Rodgers responsible for the level of competition he faces in this country.

It's almost as if some of our fans diminish our achievements because of the standard of rangers. It's not mentioned nearly enough that rangers are not settled because they keep having to replace their manager.....why?.....cause he can't compete with Brendan Rodgers or Celtic.
That's the reason

We cannot be responsible for the standard of our competitors. Rangers are pinned down and running out of options cause we keep winning the league every year...and they don't....
It is not totally because they are pish. It's cause we have been awesome and they can't get near us...so they constantly have to go back to the drawing board

 

Rodgers style of football recently has been very boring to watch, so boring and predictable that teams have now sussed out how We play and how to counter it.

Yesterday was a very sore one and an indication of what's to come in Rodgers third season if he keeps sticking with the same bang average players ie Yang, Idah, Scales, Bernardo to name a few.

Rodgers seems to have a shelf life of 2 years max and then everything goes to *, Liverpool and Leicester are great examples, if We are stupid enough to allow him to rebuild the team next season when He only has one more year left of his contract it could end up setting us back years,

We will end up signing more overpriced dross who are no better than some of the dross that He keeps playing week in week out and will leave us with another major rebuilding job if He leaves and another manager comes in.

Can't trust Rodgers to rebuild a team.

 

Arrogant
Egotistical
Inflexible

 

I seriously cannot understand the pessimistic outlook of some of our fansvon here.

A Rebuild? A rebuild is for teams who have completely failed and need a total gut out and re-vamp, coaches and players.
We do not require a rebuild. We are successful already. We always need to improve. Every successful team can and should improve. But talk of a rebuild is crazy. Rebuild a winning and successful team? Why?

 

It's the same as last time up the wing nothing on back to defence and up the other wing nothing on there let's go back to the left again nothing on back to the right and keep repeating that for 90mins,

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