Celtic statement

I mean the whole situation though everything about it.

People are claiming Celtic hired and sacked people from Celtic BC but Celtic have never actually been involved with them.

Then people are saying Celtic need to hold an investigation and release it to the public - but Celtic cannot hold an investigation of another business they have never even been involved in and don't know anything about.

People probably dont even know who owned Celtic BC, they are their own company. I think Torbett himself even owned them?

Literally nobody seems to know anything about any of it.

 

The changes are already in place and learning implemented. He was let back in and that’s an absolute disgrace but do we need an investigation to tell us how he managed it? Just seems a bit pointless imo.. however if I were a victim I may feel differently.

The club should reach out and gauge opinion and see what the victims want and be led by them.

 

Hope the * get's sliced up bad..

 

Apparently this has already been going on.

https://thecelticblog.com/2018/11/b...makes-public-what-weve-been-doing-in-private/

 

Who owned Celtic Boys Club though? if it was him then how was he let go and how was he "let back" if he owned them the whole time?

 

Statement should’ve been released sooner and should’ve went a lot further imo.

I feel we’re trying to protect ourselves instead doing anything we can to get justice for the young boys and feel uncomfortable about it.

Personally I’d want the club to set up an independent investigation from the time Torbett was there and investigate the Kelly’s, Jack McGinn etc.

I’d go after the likes of Kevin Kelly and Jack McGinn and their relationship with Torbett and if it’s shown they knew and did nothing then go after them legally and get compensation for the victims.

 

Fergus put a stop to the club using the Trophy Centre which was that * business, the same business which members of the old board were involved in.

 

We Jamesy certainly writes well..

 

Well said that *!

 

Because legally it was a different club but unofficially we ran it as an affiliate basically I think.

 

I think language is important here, I understand why there is some confusion.

Torbett was not "re-hired" by Celtic - they had no power to legally hire him. But they had a moral obligation to prevent him from reassuming his role at the Boys' Club - that is, by contacting the authorities and making them aware of his paedophile behaviour.

Think of like this: you own a company, and you have an association with another, but you are nonetheless distinct corporate entities. You become aware that the owner of the other company is abusing a child. You could use your influence to have that person ‘removed’ on the quiet by encouraging them to ‘stand down’. This could be done to protect your own image – since you are associated with this company – and/or perhaps as a ‘personal favour’ to the person suspected of conducting the abuse.

Now let’s say that person seeks to return to their previous role. You could, inform that person, that you’re content for them to return (that is, you won’t rat them out to the cops) and all is forgotten. Or you could exercise your influence to inform the police (which is what should have been done initially anyway) and have that person brought before a court, and prevented from ever having contact with children again.

Personally, I think it’s a disgrace that members of the Celtic board were seemingly aware of this but did nothing to intervene. Although they had no technical legal duty or competence to act, they did have a moral imperative to do so and they failed. It’s a terrible stain on their reputations.

 

Why the * is our manager getting asked questions about this vile story? He's a football manager on the eve of a big game,This story has nothing to do with the playing team/staff or manager.

Yes as horrific as this is and Torbett and others deserve everything they get and hope the abused can move on after knowing vile monsters like this are locked up....this story should not be thrown towards our manager or players.....If the tabloids are looking for stories they aint going to get much from our current staff but their reaction to this story...which is disgusting.

 

Don’t think it’s a case of ‘owned’ Boys clubs aren’t owned they are ran by volunteers who set up Committee etc..

He shouldn’t have been near the Boys club especially after the allegations.

 

3 nights running the BBC have ran with this as their main headline, they really want back into ibrokes quite badly.

 

Who actually owned it though? does nobody know. People call Torbett the "founder" so he must have owned it and ran it. So I dont get how people keep saying he was sacked and then brough back when he actually must have owned it himself. Doesn't make any sense, surely people know who actually ran it? it must have been an actual company as people paid to play for them so they took in money.

 

I think the whole - they aren't connected to us really - argument is a poor one. It's like we are trying to wash our hands of the whole thing and while that may be an appealing option I don't think we should try and do that, Morally or ethically.
(I'm not having a go at you specifically for it mate as I have read it elsewhere as well).

Your last sentence simply adds to the need for an Inquiry to be set up, so we can see what exactly was going on and who knew what or didnt know as the case may be. I know I have been told that the Club did have an input but others say they didn't. Imo this uncertainty simply makes it all look even more murky.

 

I think it's pretty obvious the club didnt have any input as if they did or the did run it then they would have been sued long ago.The fact the club was never sued must mean lawyers have had a look and thought its a waste of time as Celtic aren't actually connected.

So the question is then who did and then did he really get sacked and then come back or did he just leave by himself or did he even still work for them but just stop coaching? seems that nobody actually knows anything even though hes been convicted twice so where is all the proof that came out in court

 

Isn’t the story basically when Jock found out about Torbett he banned him from Parkhead and threatened him if he didn’t get to *? Then when Jock left Torbett was welcomed back by the board with open arms.

 

Why the calls for an enquiry when the perpetrator has been legally dealt with? To my knowledge no one else has been claimed complicit ith these acts. Surely the only calls for an enquiry should be to investigate the entire history of scottish football for alleged historical sexual abuse cases, like this Torbett *, or that other dissgusting * Neely - one of who's victims whilst he was Head of youth at Ibrox was told to contact the liquidators for a claim because they "weren't the same club".

 

According to who though and by what Board, the Celtic Board could not have had anything to do with the running of Celtic Boys Club as if they did then that must have meant we owned and ran them and if we owned and ran them Celtic would be being sued for fun and would have been 25 year ago or whenever people first claimed the abuse.