The Big Strachan Argument (Multiple Threads Merged)

Henke. · Mar 8, 2008

chuikov62 said: ↑

How depressing to read the sentiments expressed in the "reality check "thread below and many others like it. So if I am to believe all the views expressed, Glasgow Celtic are a poor little team punching well above their weight to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League!

And there was I, thinking that I supported the best supported team in the world in real terms. Glasgow Celtic, unlike the Premier League giants like Liverpool (after 20 years without domestic success can't fill their 44,000 ground on non season ticket holding days! Man utd would be the same subsequent to a similar period without success, Chelsea in a few years won't fill my local pub no matter how successful they are!)

For a team like Glasgow Celtic to start believing that a place in the last 16 of Europe is acceptable is dreadful!!!!

The excuse of lack of revenue in comparison to teams like Barca, Real, Man utd is an insult!! Whilst the aforementioned may be as big as us they are not bigger! They play in a league which provides them with much greater revenue. So we have a choice as follows:

1. Remain where we are in the SPL and feel pathetically sorry for ourselves.

2. Our owner and our supporters campaign with Benfica, Porto, Ajax, Feyenoord,PSG, Marseille, Galatasaray,etc etc and tell UEFA, we are not turning up to pay into any games ever again unless we have a euro league!!!
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I agree 100%. We are as big as they get.
The SPL might not be the most skillful league in the world but it is competitive amd we are Scottish so it's where we belong.

A European league running concurrent with our own league is the way forward. Scrap the League Cup and let us compete with the cream of Europe and get Celtic in the big money bracket.

We lost to a great team by a single goal on each leg and have shown we can compete at that level. We don't have a Messi or Kaka or Ronaldiniho but we have some players who are doing well like Skippy and Boruc. All we need now is a few more class players and we'll be in with a real chance of progressing in the CL.

2008/09 will see us take it to the next level. Well done wee man. Yer doing us proud.

ellboy · Mar 8, 2008

kennydal said: ↑

is it alsa a false impression if celtic win the league ,you play 38 games are they all lucky i dont think so,cant all be false if tou beat the likes if milan benfica man u ,and so on . are they * or is it parkhead, i would rather be a last 16 team hands down than playing in the uefa cup, its called progrees never no,who to say we dont make it to the last 8 all it takes is a wee bit of luck in the draw , but money is the ruler here ,celtic can only compete within there needs ,its a drawback ,i believe even if pl released ,40million to buy a few quality players they wont come , cos of our league,you might get a better class of player but no world beaters
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Everyone would rather be in the last 16 of the CPL no doubt about it and I am not trying to put a dampner on our great results against some of the worlds best sides at home.

I would ask you one question though if these games where played at a neutral venue do you think we would have had the same fine results.I know its an impossible question to ask.However given the amount of late goals we have scored in these games I believe without the fans roaring the team on we would never have achieved half of them.

Where I do agree with you is that money is the ruler with regards to the elite clubs. However their are a number of clubs who operate with less resource than ourselves and have enjoyed better results and perforemances away from their home grounds than we have enjoyed.This to me is not soley down to money it is coaching,organisation and structure that sadly for me is currently lacking at Celtic Park.

gunt · Mar 8, 2008

Henke67 said: ↑

I agree 100%. We are as big as they get.
The SPL might not be the most skillful league in the world but it is competitive amd we are Scottish so it's where we belong.

A European league running concurrent with our own league is the way forward. Scrap the League Cup and let us compete with the cream of Europe and get Celtic in the big money bracket.

We lost to a great team by a single goal on each leg and have shown we can compete at that level. We don't have a Messi or Kaka or Ronaldiniho but we have some players who are doing well like Skippy and Boruc. All we need now is a few more class players and we'll be in with a real chance of progressing in the CL.

2008/09 will see us take it to the next level. Well done wee man. Yer doing us proud.
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totally agree. Your the voice of sanity and experience as usual

randy · Mar 8, 2008

dont hold back tim! you're right though it is a bit patronising and if porto, a team from a small country, can win the CL why cant we?

ellboy · Mar 8, 2008

tim park said: ↑

Celtic manager Gordon Strachan believes context is the key to analysing the Parkhead club's exit from the Champions League in midweek.
The Clydesdale Bank Premier League champions lost 1-0 to Barcelona at the Nou Camp on Tuesday to go out 4-2 on aggregate to the star-studded Catalan giants.
Strachan, who is preparing his side for the Scottish Cup quarter-final tie against Aberdeen at Pittodrie on Sunday, believes his players did their club and Scotland proud by simply reaching the last 16 of the competition for the second season in succession.
"There is a lot we can take from the games against Barcelona. We can take the fact that we had to win the league to get to that stage," he said.
"We beat Spartak Moscow (in the qualifier) when they were on top of their form and playing on a plastic pitch.
"We can say that we got rid of Shakhtar and Benfica (in the group stages) and we can say that we got to the same stage as Real Madrid, Seville and Lyon and either Liverpool or Inter Milan.
"A lot of big clubs left at the same time as us so there is nothing to be embarrassed about.
"There are a lot more positives than negatives."
Strachan added: "We can be proud of being in the last 16 for the last two years, that's good for a small nation.
"We learned that when we are at our best, we are not far away.
"There is a gulf between the real top clubs and ourselves but at our best we can give good teams a game."

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lets look at what he says here,,,,we can be proud
we got to last 16, 2 years in a trot,,,yes we did gordon wits your point,,,we limped out of the compitition as if we werent botherd.

2)we got to play barca because we win the title,,,doh weeman we know this already

3)teams like real madrid ,seville and lyon are out to "he says",,,we know this gordon whats your point ,,if they wernt out there opponents would be,,whats yer piont gordon,,

4) loseing to barca is nout to be embarrassed about,,,who said anything about being embarrased we man,,i think you felt embarressed , i stiill cant se the point your trying to make

5(he says we beat spartak "on a plastic pitch" wow wee,,i am glad u told us this as we all forgot ,ffs

6(there are more positives than negatives he says,,,wee man get a friggin grip we were very negative and have been for ages in awaymatches in CL ,or am i missing his point

7)the last 16 is good for a small nation, he says"mmm and whats the point this time,we have always known we are a small nation,,dident we,?

8)we learned that at our best we are not far away,,,he said,,,far away from what an away win,,a decent result/performance wit does he mean?

9)he goes on to tell us ,"theres a gulf between us and top sides in europe" tnx gordon,we were all wondering why we can win away games ,,now we know eh

patronising wee * ,,
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Tim m8 I agree with most of that.

Its a bit strange though that your comments are along simmilar lines to the now closed ChuckyAria thread but you have only got 2 replies.

I wonder why that is.

irvy7 · Mar 8, 2008

ellboy said: ↑

Tim m8 I agree with most of that.

Its a bit strange though that your comments are along simmilar lines to the now closed ChuckyAria thread but you have only got 2 replies.

I wonder why that is.
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* you don't give up mate

let it go ffs

ellboy · Mar 8, 2008

irvy7 said: ↑

* you don't give up mate

let it go ffs
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Never LOL.

kennydal · Mar 8, 2008

ellboy said: ↑

Never LOL.
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ellboy give it a rest theres athred just been closed cos of arguing certain people on this website want tae talk about celtic,the arguing website is another google search. sorry tim park hijack your thead there i said a couple of weeks ago i was behind wgs ,but ffs ,wits that all about ,comments like that are the ones that are going to see him getting the boot , he is now definetly a yes man to PL , but if things go * up ,his comfort zone will aswell good post tim and apoligies

mmmikey · Mar 8, 2008

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Tim:

tim park said: ↑

lets look at what he says here,,,,we can be proud
we got to last 16, 2 years in a trot,,,yes we did gordon wits your point,,,we limped out of the compitition as if we werent botherd. His point is we can be proud, are you?

2)we got to play barca because we win the title,,,doh weeman we know this already. This is a positive yes? Ok agreed.

3)teams like real madrid ,seville and lyon are out to "he says",,,we know this gordon whats your point ,,if they wernt out there opponents would be,,whats yer piont gordon,,. His point is, we got to the same stage as super massive clubs like Real. What exactly are you complaining about Tim? Your point is either invalid or totally non-existant.

4) loseing to barca is nout to be embarrassed about,,,who said anything about being embarrased we man,,i think you felt embarressed , i stiill cant se the point your trying to make. Point here again is Barca are a MASSIVE team so did you realistically expect a team who previously had never even BEEN to the last 16 to win?

5(he says we beat spartak "on a plastic pitch" wow wee,,i am glad u told us this as we all forgot ,ffs. Again, underlining the positives isnt a crime.

6(there are more positives than negatives he says,,,wee man get a friggin grip we were very negative and have been for ages in awaymatches in CL ,or am i missing his point. Strachan has stated time and time again that we are working on playing better away in Europe (and in general). This is something thats blighted MoN as well yet did you complain to him? Were we negative at the Nou Camp? I don't think so.

7)the last 16 is good for a small nation, he says"mmm and whats the point this time,we have always known we are a small nation,,dident we,? I see you have a problem with anyone stating anything positive about Celtic.

8)we learned that at our best we are not far away,,,he said,,,far away from what an away win,,a decent result/performance wit does he mean? Were it not for Caldwells defending we were arguably much closer to a win at Parkhead. I think you underestimate just how good a team BArca are compared to Scottish sides (including us).

9)he goes on to tell us ,"theres a gulf between us and top sides in europe" tnx gordon,we were all wondering why we can win away games ,,now we know eh

patronising wee * ,,Considering some of the threads gonig against Strachan recently and some of the things heard at CP/pubs in the area I think he has generally made some very clear points. Thank * you were privy to all these things beforehand but I guess you don't like people stating positives.
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Chucky Arla · Mar 8, 2008

ellboy said: ↑

Tim m8 I agree with most of that.

Its a bit strange though that your comments are along simmilar lines to the now closed ChuckyAria thread but you have only got 2 replies.

I wonder why that is.
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Theres a lovely Italian word that answeres your question extremely accurately mate. Can you guess what it is?

tim park · Mar 8, 2008

I POSTED THIS AT 5AM this morning ,i never hijacked any thread i got the interview from a web page ,and put my comments after i read it,,
ive not looked atwhat time chuckys artical appeared here,but i bet it was after mine

and ,for your information,i meant it a a half hearted bit of fun,,but seems it wasent funny,,wonder why

Henke. · Mar 8, 2008

Tim Park. You are talking pish again. Bring back Davie Glasgow he would never have let you get away with that. :icon_mrgreen:

irvy7 · Mar 8, 2008

aye tim park davie would put you in your place:icon_mrgreen:

tim park · Mar 8, 2008

heres where i got it,,, it was an original honest post,,
i dont do bullshit

Football365.com - STRACHAN PUTS EXIT IN CONTEXT - Celtic - Football365 News

Henke. · Mar 8, 2008

irvy7 said: ↑

aye tim park davie would put you in your place:icon_mrgreen:
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Gi' us some of those vpoints yer not using, will ya?

tim park · Mar 8, 2008

Henke67 said: ↑

Tim Park. You are talking pish again. Bring back Davie Glasgow he would never have let you get away with that. :icon_mrgreen:
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thanks henke m8,, thats me * now

irvy7 · Mar 8, 2008

Henke67 said: ↑

Gi' us some of those vpoints yer not using, will ya?
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cant see them on the skin i use i just for get about them

Henke. · Mar 8, 2008

tim park said: ↑

thanks henke m8,, thats me * now
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You need a holiday mate. Malta's nice this time of year.

Chappie · Mar 8, 2008

How is that interview patronising? He was probably answering questions he was asked. It's not like he came out with a statement saying "down thick Celtic fan, down."

Chucky Arla · Mar 8, 2008

neverwalkalone said: ↑

How is that interview patronising? He was probably answering questions he was asked. It's not like he came out with a statement saying "down thick Celtic fan, down."
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He would have been as weel doing so though.
He just says no one elses opinions matter other than his or his players, he's made it clear now and in the past that anyone who disagrees with him and is vocal about it is a Buckie drinking ned and theeir opinions dont matter.