Kris Commons

Stop judging things based on the past, Armstrong has a lot more to offer to this Celtic team. Its mental wanting to play a player because of what he has previously done for the club when he can't continue to hit the same levels.

Armstrong has time to grow as a player and the impact he made in the game when he came on vs Rangers has to be noted, he has many good attributes which under a great manager can be utilised and he can be transformed as a player.

Even that last point doesn't need to be considered, Commons has no value for us moving forward.

 

I would agree with this. Commons is a player of the past.

 

Aye we were full of energy under Ronny...

 

How do you know? You can't know that.

 

How can you write him off without seeing him play?

 

Whether I have written him off or not is irrelevant. However what is more telling is the actions of Brendan Rodgers.

How many times has he played this season??
How many times has he been on the bench??
How many times has he been in the squad??

The guy isn't injured and yet he's only seen in training.

 

True, but AFAIK Rodgers hasn't made any statements regarding why. To my mind it seems a bit precipitous to second guess Rodgers and write Commons off based on that.

 

he's had a problem with his back and is getting back to fitness now.

 

I had forgot about Commons, which maybe tells its own story.

Kris has been a great servant to the club and a vital component in the team for many seasons now, as much as I would love to see him get back in the team and scoring goals I just cannot see exactly who he would replace given that he is not the best at pressing the play and having a high workrate.

The reasons he got left out of ronny's team are the same ones that will keep him out of Brendans.

Workrate, pace and his poor first touch wont endear him to the new manager who will be familiar with KC from his time in England.

Brendan will at the very least give him at least some opportunity to show what he can do and when he does KC needs to do exactly what BR demands from him.

TBF Rogic has the same isssues as commons in regards to pace and workrate although Rogic's first touch is top quality, but Commons will score more goals and rogic will create more.

It would be a sad end to a fine career for it just to fizzle out but I would agree with the poster who suggested that Christie would be preffered to KC right now.

I am still torn overit though Kc's contribution has been huge when he has been in form, his age is now the biggest issue considering his lack of work rate its something he can fix but does he have the desire to at this stage in his career?

 

Fair enough, wasn't aware of that. I still don't see him having a long term or short term future with us.

Again for me Commons is a player of the past.

 

He wanted a high pressing game like we have now but the players didnt execute it as well as hwat they do now.

Ronny either lacked the abiltiy to convey the correct methods to the players, or the players didnt listen to or respect his methods either way we are now getting that high pressing game with largely the smae group of players the major difference being the manager,,,,,

which begs the question exactly who was most at fault for the performances under ronny?

 

he's taking An Epidural to deal with the pain.


he's looking at getting his coaching badges anyway so he's probably talking to BR and Co.

 

Whilst I agree that I'd rather have Commons than Armstrong. I'd rather have Christie than both so if we're going to have a backup that isn't Armstrong, it's not Commons for me

 

Commons has no impact on the team, he is merely if anything a back up player. He could never do anything in the champions league when he was at his peak, so it makes no logical sense to think he can do now when he's past his peak. We are more than comfortable in the league playing the players we already are so the only value that can be seen in playing him is if he does well in the champions league.

Where we can find value though is instead of playing Commons we play younger players with potential who could go on and to good things for us in Europe, It's valuable to give these players game time as it helps them getting better which in return makes us a better team.

So in full, playing younger players generates value as they can progress to be champions league players, in regards to Commons he has never been a CL player so we hold no value in playing him.

 

He never did anything in the CL at his peak? What, you mean apart from be an integral part of the team that reached the last 16?

I think there is value in finding out if he can still do it at CL level, given that we had to bring Armstrong on with half an hour to go against Manchester City, mate.

 

There were countless discussion's at the time of how he wasn't good enough to play in Europe. While I agree he put in some good defence displays in our time in the champions league that season he lacked the technicality and awareness required when playing at that level - the penalty can be bigged up but at the end of the day it is that, a penalty.

Armstrong came on to do a job against Man City and one of the his main roles was to provide protection to the midfield (Which he later occupied after Bitton was replaced) Commons could never do this job.

 

I'd rather have Armstrong than Commons at this stage, neither would be starting in the CL, but Armstrong can be a very good SPL player and has the ability to do well in Europe. Thought he done decent enough when he came on v City. We also don't know how well Commons is actually doing in training, so I don't really get the whole "I'd rather him than Armstrong" thing, we've not seen him play a game at CAM under Rodgers

 

for the final 6 months the players didnt seem to be interested the story will be revealed someday, kind of looked like he lost the dressing room
but ronnies football philosphy was the same as brendans lots of energy and press high up the park and force the opposition into making errors, think barcelona did it best

that was when we were best under ronnie, last 4 months of the 1st season and johansen was terrific in the am role and the pressing

kris commons best game in europe was against juventus at home in an other wise miserable game he most of our attacking intent and shots came through him

 

Some really short memories on here! I cant wait to see Commons back, Rogic for first 60 then Chris for the last 30min, dream team!

 

* sake must be a bad one if he's taking epidurals. My Mrs had to get one in labour fs