Well, The EFL Knocks Us Back... Whats Next?

16 team league and 1x home 1x away gives 30 games then maybe do an 8/8 split and play each other once ... but that would be 37 games would most likely want 36/38 games

 

I for one never expected it to happen anyway but that didn't mean I didn't want it to.

I would jump at the chance of joining an English League 3 even if it meant 5-6 years to make it to the EPL.

We will never fully reach our potential and grow as a club being taken seriously for however much longer we linger in Scottish football. I want to see us one day lift the European Cup once again, which will never happen for as long as we play our domestic football in the SPFL.

 

I honestly don't know how anyone could be "content" competing in Scotland. Whether it is England or a European league we need to be looking at options that benefits our club because I know staying where we are doesn't help the club grow at all. There's a ceiling with us in Scotland, we can only grow so much and with the way things are going there's gonna be a bigger and bigger gap between us and the teams that regularly get in the group stages of the CL.

 

I dont believe England was ever an option to begin with.

I think the ultimate aim has to be to be part of a broader european set up. Most likely this will be some sort of 2nd tier set up seperate from the elite clubs who seem set on carving up european competition and revenue for themselves.

Sadly, money has destroyed natural competition in football to such an extent that teams like celtic have almost zero chance of winning the champions league and near zero chance of not dominating their domestic game. Where is the fun in beating teams week in week out that you can buy and sell 100 times over, no matter what level you are watching?

If we assume this wont change there are only really 2 options available besides finding a benevolent billionaire happy to bankroll success. Either celtic become content winning the scottish league every year from now until the league ends (or perhaps over time just chopping it with rangers). In doing this they win win most games as long as there are teams to play in scotland. Or teams like celtic push to find a european wide solution to the shared problem. That means less guaranteed success year in year out, but more genuine potential to challenge at higher levels.

I have all but given up going to football every week as to me if there is no competition in a game there is really no point. Watching celtic win 15, 20, 50 in a row doesnt fill me with excitement, but rather boredom. Likewise watching a champions league that is effectively fixed to ensure the rich get richer is boring as well and if celtic arent in it I have no interest in watching.

Sadly I am in a minority because new world football markets are only getting bigger and bigger. Given the environment clubs face, the only chance a team like celtic has in even coming close to competing at a european level is to look to cooperation with other big clubs in small nations and do something different.

 

I hate the phrasing of the poll. Content doesn't do justice for how much I love Glasgow Celtic

 

I love how people presume if we were to make the move to england we would be in top flight within 5 or 6 years, not a chance in my opinion.

Realistically would be closer to 10 years and then what? Mid-table obscurity?

Would everyone be 'content' with no european football and being just another average team? (Which would be a strong possibility) And i dont buy this argument of 'but the money we get from being in the league will strengthen us and allow us to challenge'. Money doesnt equal success as we all know.

 

Yes It does, apart from one blip on the EPL radar last season, money does equal success, in every footballing country on Earth.

 

What constitutes success to you?

 

That depends on the team. Tottenham for example? Champions League football, a 4th place finish in the EPL. Celtic? League is a must, plus one of two trophies plus playing well while doing it. Sevco? Getting the £8m shortfall in their finances in the next 3 months? I honestly don't understand what you're trying to get at mate, in every country the teams with the most money win the most things, that's clear, the ones that spend less money but more than the rest pick up the benefits such as European competition places.

 

Well the thread is about us and playing in england so what constitutes success to you playing in that league?

 

Eh nothing, I didn't mention England (not once) in any of my posts in this thresd :smiley-laughing002: However you did say something along the lines of "money doesn't make success" so please tell me in what country that your statement applies.

 

Well i thought it was obvious from my posting in a thread specifically about playing in england that i was talking about england il rephrase my question, do you constitute success (in english league) for celtic to be hovering around europa league/champs league qualifying spots (at best) not winning titles?

And man utd are a prime example of money not equaling success they are averaging what, £80-£100 million a season on transfers the past 5 years? And what have they to show for it?

I should add that to me success is winning titles/cups not european spots.

 

No it's not :smiley-laughing002: I think the Atlantic League was the point of this thread, let's be honest, hence the huge old quote in the OP :smiley-laughing002:

But I do apologise for misunderstanding the thread point/your point.

Are you really using ManUre as an example? They make more money than any (yes Real and Barca) any other football club on Earth, EPL Winners? yep ManUre, European performances in the last 15 years, yeah that's ManUre again.

There's a difference in England, as in there's several other teams with the spending power, but guess what teams are at the business end of the table. It's not West Ham btw

 

I think success is contextual and personally I would have more interest in watching my favourite team in a league like the EPL finishing 10th most seasons than winning against minnows every week. There are many reasons why I would be wary about Celtic joining the EPL but in general I would take more pleasure in following a team and a sport that was competitive than one that isnt. And I dont believe there is a huge amount of fun watching a team that is 1/50 to win the league, win the league.

Im taking in a more general sense because there is no blame or criticism aimed at celtic for monopolising scottish football just as there is no blame aimed at teams like barca who have so much money they can dominate europe year in year out (part of an oligopoly i guess).

So I guess success to me in football is about being your best and punching above your weight as much as possible.

 

Thats what im getting at though man u are the biggest spenders and in the last 5 years they have won (from memory) 1 title and an fa cup, and i think a charity shield. For over half a billion pounds spent. If money equals success surely they should have cleaned up?

I know what youre saying the more money the more likely of ending up at the business end of the table, i understand that. But in the context i was using, i meant throwing £100 odd million at our club wouldnt neccesarily make us succesful, sure we might be at the 'business end' of the table but i dont class that as success, and we would be delusional if we think we could touch the giants down there and challenge for a title anytime within 15-20 years.

 

Im the exact opposite, id rather see us dominate and destroy opponents.

Like you said its not our fault we have become the dominant team, but i disagree about the league not being competitive, sure the past five years have been somewhat of a breeze since the scum went * up but previous to that? I would say it was pretty competitive and will be again in a few years time.

Do you think barca fans are getting tired of winning all the time? Absolutely not, fair enough they are doing it on the european stage quite regularly but i dont think theyd be pushing for a more competitive league etc.

I just think folk would get a culture shock by moving to england, going from european football and trophies year in year out to sitting mid-table in epl. Thats not my idea of success.

 

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Really

 

Really what?

 

I bet you're one of those types who plays FIFA on easy all the time so you can win 9-0 and *, eh? :smiley-laughing002: