Independence and/or EU membership- your preference

Your choice of the following and why.
Scottish independence and membership of EU
Scottish independence and leave EU
Stay in UK and EU
Stay in UK and leave EU

 

Scottish Indy and leave the EU, because I believe Scotland should be independent and staying in the EU essentially prevents that. Scotland should aim for true independence, not shifting the power from Westminster to Brussels.

 

Scottish independence and leave the EU.

 

Independence and leave the EU.

 

I've shifted this thread from the HP&R section to the pub in order to see how the wider forum feels on the matter.

 

The question should be do you want Scottish independence or not.

 

Thanks Dave.

 

Indy and remain in the EU for now,then if we want to later on we can leave the EU....it will be our choice.

 

Leave eu.

 

Being in the EU means you aren't independent though...

 

An article on it, including a breakdown of the various regions of the UK and their differing voting expectations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...n-wants-to-leave-and-who-wants-to-remain.html

 

Behave.

Independence and it's definition varies from person to person.

Independence in the absolute sense would mean you as a nation were alone full stop, engaging with states of course but nothing else.

In the modern world with numerous I.G.O's this is not possible and so every state across the world forfeits some portion of sovereignty to I.G.Os such as the U.N. the World Bank, Nato and of course the European Union (applicable to European states only).

In a globalised world it is practically impossible to be independent in the truest sense - no nation really is, save for North Korea.

This argument 'well you aren't independent then' is not factually correct because no nation in the modern world is.

There are plenty of arguments about staying in or leaving with regards to the E.U. but this 100% independence isn't one.

This is basic high school international relations.

 

Quite telling really.

 

Scottish independence and leave the EU.

 

True, it is telling. The EU is by the elite for the elite, it's not for the working man or women across the continent. Why would the elite want to change something that's good for them?

 

Spot on.

 

Is it just me or is there some kind of connection between 'trump' support and people wanting out of the EU

 

Man, that Trump fella is popping up all over the place on this forum! :smiley-laughing002:

 

Your average AB voter is hardly elite though are they?

We're not even just talking about wealthy business owners, doctors, dentist and solicitors, we're talking about folk who run your local Tesco or Aldi or computer technicians, PA's and such.

 

Just because someone chooses to vote in a certain way doesn't mean they know what the * they're voting for, does it?