If Celtic left Scotland...

You sound like you hate it..

 

I absolutely do! :smiley-laughing002:

But no doubt just like yourself, I love Celtic and want what's best for the club.

I caught the bug of travelling to the vast majority of Celtic home and away games, and it's now like a disease! Despite realising how absurd it is to pay extortionate prices to stand in a cow shed in Dingwall- I still regularly do it! I can't help myself!

 

I'm not Scottish (aside from ancestry) and I really couldn't care less about the Scottish league, the Scottish national team or any other Scottish clubs. The only thing that I care about in regards to Scottish football is Celtic. For me, best case scenario would be the formation of a new league with peer clubs. English admission is a pipe dream and probably not even worth considering. Scottish football is probably beyond repair unfortunately and the gap is most likely only going to increase. As much as I'm sure everyone would love a strong Scottish league, I just don't see it happening. There's not enough money, support or global appeal to stop the widening of the chasm that separates the smaller leagues from the juggernauts. It's a new era of football and the trends that we're seeing now won't be changing anytime soon.

To be honest if I woke up tomorrow and read on the news that Celtic was joining a different league, I would be over the moon. Granted, as I said I'm not Scottish and I can see why a lot of you folks would feel differently.

 

Personally I think all Welsh, Scottish, and Irish teams should be merged into the English setup for a more regional league. It's for the good of all those teams. It's totally unrealistic though. I get the whole scottish identity thing but at the end of the day Scotland is part of the UK anyway and I don't feel like Cardiff or Swansea fans feel any less Welsh being in the premier league.

 

Clearly History wasn't taught at your school, up until fairly recently Russia and Ukraine were part of the same country, A Union called the Soviet Union for your information, not long before that was disbanded they played Holland in the final of the European Championship

The majority of Ukrainian citizens list Russian as their first language and not. Ukrainian, the whole east and South of Ukraine leans towards Russia in the same way Scotland leans politically towards the left as opposed to the right leaning England, to say that isn't comparable is incredible, I could use Yugoslavia as a further example but won't go into that based on your ignorance of the history of the people and politics in that part of the world.

Seems it's only in the interests of folk like you who can't accept Celtic is a Scottish club and would rather throw the toys out the pram rather than deal with the situation in hand.[QUOTE=made in ireland;4787336]People are probably suggestng the idea of Celtic joining the English or a British league set-up because it makes the most sense at this stage, given both the sporting and political mandates which have been highlighted.

Your Ukraine-Russia analogy doesn't really make much sense in this context either. Did a single Ukraine/Russia football team recently compete in a FIFA competition? Similarly, did the majority of Ukrainians recently vote against having their own national sovereignty in a referendum? Clearly the situations are in no way comparable!

As I've mentioned before, I understand that that won't sit well with some, but surely as Celtic supporters we must recognise it's ultimately in the best interests of the club?

Why would Celtic supporters have to ditch their songs if the club left Scottish football? Why would "Go on home British Soldiers" be regarded any differently in England than it is in Scotland? "The Black Watch" was a favourite of the Jungle, and can still be heard on special occasions at away games![/QUOTE]

 

Right then, the vast majority on this forum voted or supported Scotland being an independent state, can you and others not recognise that running back to use their football league for a bit of extra money stinks of more than a bit of hypocrisy.

The zombies I could accept why they might but never us

 

We can debate the * out of this, and blame our financial situation and our league, but we should be beating Malmo. Period. They're 5th in the Swedish League FFS! Their budget and training facilities arenot superior. We * up. Bad management.

 

Celtic in the English Premier League would be a monster. In my mind it would unleash the potential that the Scottish League is holding back.

 

Where's the harm in being part of a UK league system? If anything the England vs Scotland vs Wales vs Nothern ireland/Ireland would only act as a boost to national pride. The league structure would benefit Scotland greatly with more money to invest in youth football and more balance in terms of competitive standards. Look at the top 20 teams in Scotland.
That's a huge range of competitive/financial positions. It can't be beneficial.

 

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Maybe I should blame the schools. Because you're going to have to explain to me, how, in the name *, can the break-up of the Soviet Union be compared in anyway to the majority of Scots voting to remain in the UK at the recent referendum?! :smiley-laughing002:

 

This! This; a million times, this!

 

This! This; a million times, this!

 

This! This; a million times, this!

 

This! This; a million times, this!

 

I can only repeat what is blatantly clear here, there is no mandate for a british team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_..._football_team


"Reformation for London 2012[edit]
Due to the success of the London 2012 Olympic bid, the United Kingdom gained the right to enter a team in the football tournament as host nation.<SUP id=cite_ref-GB_football_team_to_enter_Games_5-1 class=reference>[5]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-33 class=reference>[33]</SUP> The British Olympic Association (BOA) stated it would enter a football team,<SUP id=cite_ref-GB_football_team_to_enter_Games_5-2 class=reference>[5]</SUP> but the Scottish Football Association (SFA) refused even to attend meetings at which the Home Nations were to discuss the possibility<SUP id=cite_ref-No_Scots_for_GB_Olympic_football_34-0 class=reference>[34]</SUP> and the Football Association of Wales (FAW) withdrew from the negotiations.<SUP id=cite_ref-Wales_oppose_GB_Olympic_Football_35-0 class=reference>[35]</SUP> The Irish Football Association (representing Northern Ireland) stated in October 2007 that they would not take part in a unified team, leaving the Football Association (England) as the only association willing to take part. The SFA's opposition to the plans were rooted primarily in the fear that the Home Nations would be forced to field a combined team in all competitions.<SUP id=cite_ref-No_Scots_for_GB_Olympic_football_34-1 class=reference>[34]</SUP> This would mean the loss of the special status of the Home Nations, established under FIFA's constitution.<SUP id=cite_ref-36 class=reference>[36] " </SUP>
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Future prospects[edit]

During the 2012 tournament some players such as Ryan Giggs<SUP id=cite_ref-64 class=reference>[64]</SUP> and some members of the British Olympic Association<SUP id=cite_ref-65 class=reference>[65]</SUP> expressed a desire to enter a football team in future Olympics. After Great Britain's elimination from the 2012 Olympics, there were no public plans to reform the team for future Olympic Games,<SUP id=cite_ref-66 class=reference>[66]</SUP> with Alex Horne, in his role as chief-executive of the FA, stating that the FA would not support a future men's football team at the Olympics.<SUP id=cite_ref-67 class=reference>[67]</SUP> The problem facing any possible future Great Britain team is that there is no mechanism for it to qualify, as the individual home nations compete in the qualifying competition.<SUP id=cite_ref-68 class=reference>[68]</SUP>

In 2015, the England under-21 coach (Gareth Southgate) and the FA Director of Elite Development (Dan Ashworth) established as FA policy that the Olympic tournament is a valuable experience for underage players.<SUP id=cite_ref-policy_change_69-0 class=reference>[69]</SUP> The FA subsequently advised the other home nations indicating that they would enter teams in 2016, assuming that either or both of the England teams met the qualification standard.<SUP id=cite_ref-policy_change_69-1 class=reference>[69]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-70 class=reference>[70]</SUP> This suggestion was opposed by the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish associations.<SUP id=cite_ref-policy_change_69-2 class=reference>[69]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-boyce_assurance_71-0 class=reference>[71]</SUP> Jim Boyce of Northern Ireland, then a vice-president of FIFA, said that he had an assurance that any future Great Britain teams would require the consent of all home nations.<SUP id=cite_ref-boyce_assurance_71-1 class=reference>[71]</SUP> The FA then advised the other home nations that they would not enter teams, saying they had "underestimated" opposition to the plan.<SUP id=cite_ref-72 class=reference>[72] " - </SUP>


So , as we can all see very , very clearly there is no mandate at all.
Why you are therefore trying to claim that there is , is very puzzling indeed.

Also you keep using the referendum result in your argument for a change however from what I remember there wasn't a question asking -
Should Celtic seek to play in another league set up ?
Or did I miss that question :smiley-laughing002:

 

But you're once again missing the point. As I mentioned before, quoting what I am assuming is a Wikipedia page outlining the fact that the football associations of the six counties, Scotland and Wales wouldn't be happy with a British footballing set-up is completely irrelevant. Of course they wouldn't! They would be out of a job then! :smiley-laughing002: Whether these associations support the concept of a British football team is neither here nor there. The fact remains that a team did compete under the banner "Team GB" at a recent FIFA-run competition, and with that a precedent was ultimately set. Now whether you like that or not, that's a sporting mandate which Celtic should be ramming down the throats of the footballing governing bodies.

Similarly, the recent Scottish independence referendum result- which although you might not have liked- has provided Celtic with a political mandate, which once again the club should be using to lobby for change.

 

Celtic a British team with Irish roots...got a hunish ring to it

 

But why would the identity of Celtic have to change because of the league they happen to play in?

Celtic would still be based in Glasgow, and would still have Irish roots and identity.

 

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