Labour Revival?

I'm not meaning any particular time frame or era, or even any particular leader.

When I say that Labour needs to return to its roots I mean prioritising the likes of social progress, justice & equality over the wants and demands of the markets. Basically progressive social policies.

I want to see a transparent level of democracy that represents the population properly, strong public authorities that are effective from local level right up to national level, and that are answerable to the electorate.

These are traditional Labour ideals, and in my opinion, they are as applicable today as they've ever been. They aren't outdated or "old", and if implemented and championed properly there is no real reason why they should render a party "unelectable".

A Labour party under Corbyn is far more likely to swing in that direction than under any other viable leader available at the moment.

Is Corbyn perfect? Of course not. But he's a terrific starting point.

He's certainly more attractive in a political sense than the likes of Angela * Eagle.

Having someone like that in charge of the party will simply undo any of the good that has been done, such as an increase in young membership and an increase in that membership taking an active role.

It will work in those MP's seeing that the grass roots membership are backing Corbyn, and as such they should be doing the same.

If they don't, then hopefully those grass roots members simply don't vote for them come election time, and replace them with Labour MP's who share the ideals of the membership as a whole.

 

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These MP's have already seen that the grassroots support corbyn , or should we say those who joined for 3 quid and want likes, yet they still massively voted against him.
So that means, as I said, that come an election there will need to be pro corbyn candidates standing against MP's - further splitting the vote the tories and Lib Dem's will benefit from that.

 

Read this and listened to the woman describe what happened in the meeting. If this was my party I would be disgusted. As she says, corbyn talks tough on bullying/ being respectful etc but does * all when it suits him. 'Principles'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041bhvf

 

Top man Corbyn, looking to mount a proper debate on nuclear weapons in the UK. That's exactly the kind of talk we need from a Labour leader.

I also liked his statement in bold, I've been saying for years that Labour needs to try and win back those soft UKIP voters who are more frustrated than anything else.

Meanwhile, his two competitors for the leadership position are making a * of themselves on national television :smiley-laughing002:

 

How does he plan to win back former Labour voters who've turned to UKIP or who've just stopped voting altogether?

Does he know the reason why so many ex-Labour voters have turned to UKIP?

 

Because Labour under Blair abandoned their principles? They basically went the way of a "Tory-lite" outfit.

There's a huge chasm down south where representation for ordinary, working class people used to be, and some of that has been siphoned off by the far-right parties.

It's up to Labour to win them back over, and that's what Corbyn seems intent on doing.

 

Partly. Those Labour principals didn't hold up well in 1983 or 1987 or 1992. Should Labour go back to the glory days of Michael Foot?

Do you think UKIP are a far-right party?

Good luck to him. As I've said before, I respect him more than the Blairite cardboard cut outs but I highly doubt he'll win over anyone other than his metropolitan London liberals in a general election.

 

So Thornberry and Lewis, who both support renewal, will abstain. Is there anything they agree with that Corbyn backs :smiley-laughing002:

 

I hope Corbyn stays on to spite all these *.

He might not lead the party into the new age but he can certainly push it in the right direction.

Sack the dissenters.

 

The party needs to back him.
Back the man at the head of the table and the party will actually go on to pull in the right (left) direction and win back some voters.

Far too many people are disinterested in them as they can't be trusted and/or have went to the right and became too much like the Tories. The people fighting against corbyn are precisely that and should * off to the Tories and let labour be what they are meant to be about.

Untill they sort that massive split in the party and leaning too much to the right, they won't win anything.

* all to do with corbyn being likable/looking the part, its the split in the party and the high level of right winged leaning politicians within

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I've already addressed this point a few posts back. I still can't understand why whenever anyone talks about Labour shifting to the left and returning to the ideals that made them the party of the working class we see critics ask if we want to return to the 70's?

When I say that Labour needs to return to its roots I mean prioritising the likes of social progress, justice & equality over the wants and demands of the markets. Basically progressive social policies.

I want to see a transparent level of democracy that represents the population properly, strong public authorities that are effective from local level right up to national level, and that are answerable to the electorate.

These are traditional Labour ideals, and in my opinion, they are as applicable today as they've ever been. They aren't outdated or "old", and if implemented and championed properly there is no real reason why they should render a party "unelectable".

They're maybe not as far to the right on the spectrum as the likes of the BNP, but they're certainly not a centre-right party.

It depends on how he goes about changing the party if he wins the leadership battle again.

The thing is, the likes of UKIP and even the BNP play to a lot of the traditional values that the Labour party used to champion, so if they can take those Socialist values and bring them into the modern world they should do well.

As I'm said on numerous occasions, I don't believe that the vast majority who vote for the likes of UKIP and the BNP are racist or xenophobic.

if Labour can provide the Socialist values that those people crave, without the racism and xenophobia then I don't see why they can't succeed.

One good thing about all of this is that it's flushing out the Blairites for all to see.

I really hope that Labour voters down south remember who these * are come election time.

 

I hope not, who are they going to vote for instead? The alternative is too scary.

Best thing for Labour is to let the tories eat themselves for a year with May at the helm and for JC to weed out the rebels and start a grassroots movement on social media and door to door.

 

They can organise and press for someone else to stand in their place.

 

They can organise and press for someone else to stand in their place.

That's sort of what i said in the part of my post you edited out.

 

Tories will probably push for a quick GE though, before Labour can sort themselves out.

 

Aye, I thought that. Just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean that Labour voters should vote for someone else from a different party is all.

Hopefully those Labour MP's who're acting the * are dealt with when it comes to election time.

 

No, Labour is a diseased political organisation. Its over.

 

Get a grip.

 

Outstanding input, you've totally convinced me.

 

My input is easily found throughout this thread.