Enough is enough

Will do but im really struggling watching it just now. Just can't see what he's trying to do.

 

I was reading bits on hartley earlier and not.only is it too early for talk of ronny leaving but also too early for Paul..
What he's done in his early managerial career is excellent and had cardiff sniffing around and to stay instead of heading for the big bucks says a lot about him..

He definitely has the credentials to get a shot further down the line as he's just in the door on this side of things..

He's from just by my old mans and good to see him getting tims in with gerry mccabe his assistant who used to go on the same Celtic bus as my old man and gerry creaney just been appointed to the youths..

Hope they go far

 

So not giving him a chance to invest in a squad that he wants? Right-e-o.

Whoever said we had turned in to a * wannabe EPL team was right and probably one of the main reasons attendances are so low and the atmosphere is so *. Why follow a wannabe EPL side who cant accept their position in world football when you can follow an actual EPL side.

 

There in lies the problem for Ronny ATM with the support. For me his tactics are poor, I for one do not really want the high pressing game with his 2 in the middle.

If he insists in sticking with this formation and strategy we are going to continue being hit on the break.

If we hadn't signed Gordon and kept VVD he'd be much worse off, close result against St Mirren and Motherwell should have sunk us as well.

I can't see what he's trying to achieve either tbh other than fitness, which is great, he seems lost when it comes to adapting or being flexible in games.

 

Have Watford just become your yardstick?

What have a club like watford got in common with us?

Do you miss elton?

 

Watford

 

It's not to be laughed at.

 

He failed the second he came in and rolled out his vision that was to be in place post haste.

Transition. A basic concept for even the most limited managers.

You don't walk in and wipe the slate clean. You pick up the current methods and gradually implement your own principles and methodology.

It's great we brought in a guy with his ideology. In fact its a breath of fresh air, but he has immediately shown he lacks basic managerial skills, he appears to be naive and needing to learn basics at a club that should not be a beginners school for managers.

Now, you may ask me about my thoughts on Lennon and my thoughts on his hiring. Yes, it was a risk and it paid off. The thing with Lennon though, was his tutelage. He grew through Celtic as a player and Captain. He had two fine mentors in Strachan and O'Neill.

When you look at it that way, it almost seems easier to digest bringing in a manager with no experience in the dug out. We knew Lennon as a player, we also knew his outlook on the game was very mature and he spoke about the game with such 'raw' intelligence.


Going back to Ronny, his background as a player; Urædd, Odd Grenland , Viking and Strømsgodset with no full International experience.

As a manager he worked with Brodd and Strømsgodset, where he did do a very good job. It took Deila 6 years to develop that team, a team he came from as a player.


There are small common grounds shared with Lennon and Deila but there are also glaring differences.


He'd have made a decent number 2 to Lennon, he's not good enough to be a number 1.

 

I do think the results need a bit of context, all points dropped after European games and players still bedding in, we have only played eight games, we are doing well in the Europa League and still in the League Cup. Bit of sanity required.

 

Of course, sanity can be required in a situation like this under a new managers tenure.

Answer me this though, read my post previous to yours and then tell me your thoughts on why Ronny Deila is the man to take Celtic forward.

What if it's not bedding in thats the issue, what if it's because the man isn't capable of managing Celtic.

Now maybe he is, but given his past, he has no great stature. Even with Lennon's lack of managerial experience, his top level experience being greater than Ronny Deila's puts him head and shoulders above the Norwegian.

 

John Barnes.

 

:smiley-laughing002:

While I was typing out my post on Deila, Barnes kept popping in to my head.

Anyways, great link.

 

I hope this comes to be, but this is purely conjecture.
Genuinely, Id like to see him turn it around. But we can only form a judgement based on the evidence and facts we have already before us.
ime was already of the essence for Deila and this is highlighted by the 12 month rolling contract he was given. That alone speaks volumes from the board as if they bought into his project they should have offered longer term security.
His future will be determined by what he can achieve within that period, despite the idea of a long term project. It wont just be the fans that need convinced if are not better situated in the league come January.

 

Delia still has a job. Why?

He's done the following:

- gone out of the Champions League. Twice in one season.
- lost games in the SPL by playing terrible tactics and playing passengers - and we now sit mid-table and look good for that
- the fans are voting with their feet
- he says 'don't worry - we'll win the league and treble to boot' -- at the moment, where is any win coking from?

I want the * out. Now.


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I am not saying he 100% is, but he is trying to change our style, that takes time. How does Lennon's top level experience as a player put him ahead of Deila? By that logic, Alan Shearer would be a better manager than Jose Mourinho. Deila excelled at a lower level, he earned a step up, like all successful managers taking the next step from a lower level. I am saying give him time, Strachan and Lennon had hard starts, too early to judge him either way.

 

And people still can't * spell his name.

Great.

 

Threads merged

 

Mourinho worked under Bobby Robson at Barcelona, tutelage being the key here along with the desire to be a manager.

Shearer as manager :smiley-laughing002: I'm sure you could have found a better example if you tried, I do see what your saying.

Deila also isn't trying to change our style, my point is, Deila came in and changed it instantly. His style sounds great, he sells it well but his implementation was all wrong and the evidence is there for all to see in results and his reluctance to utilise the squads current ability.

He may have earned a step up but Celtic are quite a few steps up from Stromsgodset. Especially for a guy with absolutely no stature in our clubs reputable terms.

:: I may as well add in, I do want to see his style become a success and what he's been selling in the media to become a reality but its his actioning of it that has me very worried for his future.

Again, his football principles sound great but he has shown a distinct lack of managerial skills. We are not a club to have a manager unable to manage the basics with players who are clearly way above him in reputation and experience.

We have players who have been coached by better managers in better leagues than he has experienced. He hasn't taken to Celtic very well at all.

I'm on the fence with the manager. I like his chat, it appeals to me but when you strip all that away, the guy just isn't a fit for us. Everyone at the club will need to sacrifice a lot of expectations for this guys dreams to be realised, I'm talking players also, will they be happy to put careers, reputations and form on the back burner much longer for this guys inability to transition a team.

As an article put perfectly, he has no reputation to lean against. He has no trust, he isnt earning it either. He could have, but he didnt know how.

 

is it just me or are there lots of people loving our transition period and want to unsettle us further

because sacking the manager doesn't mean our fortunes will turn around even in the short time

we could end up with a guy who * us up worse than we are in this transitional period

and for the bad crowds they were awful last year too

support the fooking club ffs

 

Well, Shearer had high level experience in the Premiership and completely failed at 'his' club. It comes down to the man, Ronny may fail, the reality is nobody knows, but judging him this early is ridiculous.