songs and flags after independence

Here, I'm not going to * argue with you. It was in Time magazine. It's not an academic paper, so they're not going to cite sources from historians, are they? It's a highly respected publication - as is The Telegraph - but I'm sure they've plucked it out of thin air, just to get your knickers in a twist.

For most people, those sources be good enough but you seem not to want St Patrick's colour to be blue, for some utterly bizarre reason. :smiley-laughing002:

 

I didn't mean to imply that St Patrick personally cut about in it because it was his favourite colour, just that it's associated with him, more traditionally than green. :smiley-laughing002:

 

My point is that blue's the colour of Scotland - also associated heavily with Ireland - and that if you have a problem with a blue Saltire being flown at Celtic Park, you're mental.

 

St. Patrick had no colour. I would rather it be blue than red(NI flag). I would rather it be green than blue. But it is neither blue, red nor green and Time magazine cannot change this fact. I do not see why you cannot accept this as there are no historical facts to back up your assertion.

 

I have heard this as well although it was so long ago now I cant remember when it was I heard this. Have had a quick search and the following may help

http://www.catholic.org/news/saints/story.php?id=45045

Failing this maybe North will appear and supply an answer :icon_mrgreen:

 

I make no mention of any objection to the Saltire being displayed at Celtic park. I do not know where you have gotten this idea from.

 

Stop talking out of your * *. There is an abundance of evidence to support the fact that blue is a colour traditionally associated with Ireland, if not St Patrick (although the colour in question is certainly referred to as St Patrick's blue).

You've given absolutely no evidence to support your assertions.

Would you rather the sky was green as well, aye? My days. :smiley-laughing002:

 

Sevco don't play in Pantone 300 anyway so I don't see what the problem is.
Saor Alba.

 

I make no mention of you objecting to the Saltire being displayed at Celtic Park. I do not know where you have gotten this idea from.

 

Well now, actually. :icon_mrgreen: Saint Patrick as a Christian ecclesiastic was educated in Gaul, which has always had its own liturgical tradition (and which existed until the 19th century reforms of Dom Gueranger and his monastery at Solesmes). Unlike the Roman tradition—which is the liturgy you'll see anywhere you go to in the west these days—Gaul, Britain, Iberia and the Eastern Churches, have had a long history of blue as a liturgical colour. So Saint Patrick in all likelyhood had experienced liturgical use of blue either indirectly in Britain through Gaulish influence, and most definitely during his stay in Gaul. In the East and Iberia the blue is maintained solely for Our Lady—as it's her traditional colour—but I believe there was wider use in Gaul and the latter British Rite of Sarum.

And since Saint Patrick is always portrayed in his priestly vestments, we can make a reasonable assumption that he was occassionally decked out in blue. :icon_mrgreen:

 

Oh, I didn't know there were early depictions of Saint Patrick in blue vestments. My abose assumptions were justified. :icon_mrgreen: I still believe Henry chose blue because of the royal connotations though.

 

I was just about to add that. :smiley-laughing002:

 

5. Patrick's color is blue.

The original color associated with St. Patrick is blue, not green as commonly believed. In several artworks depicting the saint, he is shown wearing blue vestments. King Henry VIII used the Irish harp in gold on a blue flag to represent the country. Since that time, and possibly before, blue has been a popular color to represent the country on flags, coats-of-arms, and even sports jerseys.

St. Patrick is depicted in artwork therefore blue must be his colour.

Blue and green.

Henry the 8th deciding it is laughable. Some teams in Ireland play in blue.

The predominant colours in GAA inter county would be Green, Yellow and Red followed by Blue, not that it has any relevance.

 

Never have I seen someone so determined to disprove such a superfluous point.

It's really quite sad that a colour riles you so much. I don't imagine we'd be having this discussion if I'd said Ireland was traditionally associated with yellow or white.

 

I know a Hun who removed all the turf from his garden and paved it because he didn't like * colours.

 

I give no evidence precisely because there is no evidence. I have not associated any colour with St. Patrick so maybe you could explain what evidence you would like to back this up.

As far as blue being a colour associated with Ireland I have not denied this fact. You said it was St Patricks colour. I said it was not. If you would like to read back through my posts you can confirm this. You seem to have got your knickers in a twist for no reason.

Your last line is a little hunlike. At this present moment I am wearing blue jeans. I have a blue toothbrush. Shock of all shocks I went for the team in blue in the big GAA game today although it was their second strip. My own GAA counties second strip is also blue.

 

I had no idea you had posted (took me a while searching about) when I found that article and given the source I thought it would be safe enough to use it :smiley-laughing002:

The fact at number 1 was interesting though, just can't imagine celebrating the day without a drink :icon_mrgreen:. I probably should know more given my middle name is Patrick as well

 

There is all my posts in this thread.


You may not quote all my posts and highlight where I denied any association with blue and Ireland.

 

My last line is Hunlike? No, it's precisely the opposite. As I've said, I know a Hun who wouldn't have grass in his garden because it was green. Glad you're not like that.

One indisputable fact is that the blue associated with Ireland is called St Patrick's blue.

 

Regarding the actual topic of the thread, I have to say that even if/when Scotland becomes an independent country, it wont change Celtic's own history and traditions. The Union is not what stops the Flower of Scotland being sung over the Soldier's Song, or the tri-colour flying prominently. It's that fact that the tri-colour and our rebel songs are firmly entrenched in our club's history and traditions.

I'm all for people wanting to bring a saltire over to Paradise, and is the fans started singing flower of Scotland then batter in. But by no means do I want to see the saltire drive out the tri-colour. And I'd rather hear a heart-felt YNWA over the Flower of Scotland. Celtic remains an Irish club that was born and reared in Glasgow. It lives in the unique world of a diaspora. For those that love Scotland, then should be encouraged to express that love at Celtic, because there's nothing anti-Scottish about Celtic. But the Irish identity and tradition at Celtic should not be compromised to do so.

It's not a bad thing that there's not a lot of saltires at Parkhead. If there were more, then great. But it's not bad that there isn't, and I always detect a subtle sneer in many people that discuss this topic, as if Celtic fans are somehow wrong in not celebrating Scotland as much as they do Ireland. Which I find to be an incredible shame.