The Ronny Deila Thread

Regardless of what Deila said, the poster who I quoted has said for long enough now that he wants to see us win by any means possible. So to then have a dig at Deila for saying pretty much the same thing is laughable.

The pressure never built really on Lennon in my opinion. In fact, I think Lennon got a pretty easy time of it from our support. Most managers would have been hounded out by the support after losing the league and then trailing Rangers by 12 points the following season.

Strachan's time was up when he left. If the football is brutal to watch, but we are winning league titles and being successful, then the football can be overlooked. When the football is brutal and we lose the league though, it's a different ball game, and that is what happened with Strachan in his final season in charge.

 

That's a good point and I agree in principle. However in practice it gives all of the negotiating power to the player e.g. John Gudetti and if they perform well may price us out of a deal.

I am remarkably consistent fella. If you read what I said, I said it is equally encouraging as it is embarrassing. Encouraging because winning is everything but embarrassing because it was said publicly in relation to the mighty Stranraer. It is his job to guard against complacency so fair play but if we are all honest with ourselves that draw could be viewed as a bye into the next round without a hint of arrogance.

 

Clearly you didn't watch us at any point in the second half of last season then. Because we improved drastically after the first half. In some games we played like Barcelona. Broonys goal against Dundee, I think it was, was the end of an immense flowing move that included a pass from every one of our players. In one move. Beautiful. So to say we've constantly been pish, basically, apart from flag day last season is a wee bit unfair on Ronnie.

 

Have to admit I agree an awful lot with what og1 says as regards Ronny not being up to the job. I'm sad to say it as I really wanted Ronny to succeed and thought we had turned a corner around 12 months ago and things were looking up, but I just feel the job is too big for him unfortunately.

I'd personally try & bring in Davie moyes.

 

I really don't know what to think about Deila any more. After every poor performance he spouts on about the same problems, but there are no signs that anything is being done to rectify these problems.
At the same time, he turned it around last year and started playing good football and winning games well by the end of the season.
But then a double hammer blow in the summer losing both VVD and Denayer who were the foundation of our team, especially defensively but also attacking wise too, with there ability to break up the field as well as getting on the end of set pieces. The rest of the team would have felt comfortable in the knowledge of having 2 top quality defenders playing behind of alongside them.

With the loss of those 2 goes the confidence the rest of the team has in the back 4, thus the lack of confidence in the all round performance of the team.

It's very hard to build a team that is going through a mini transition every year, so it's harsh to judge him on this.

I can't see there being too many 'big' players leaving this Jan or in the summer (probably cuz we have * all 'big' players left) so I'd give him one more season to see if he can improve the squad of players he has as well as hopefully adding 3 or 4 quality players over the next window or 2.

 

The thought of going into the CL qualifiers again with Deila gives me shivers. Qualification is an absolute necessity next season, in order to build from a position of strength. Ensuring we're dominant on the domestic front and put further distance between ourselves and Aberdeen/Sevco.

 

I'm sorry but this is a pipe dream. Stop kidding yourself on that it is going to happen and look at how the board runs the club. They NEVER build from a position of strength. If they think they can win and get away with not spending at the same time then that is precisely what they will do. We have been in a position of strength for nearly four seasons now, at what point have we built on that position and widened the gap between ourselves and the rest? We haven't. We have sat on our hands and our balance sheet and gradually deteriorated year on year.

Celtic are a team in decline and have been for years now. That shower in the boardroom will only get the chequebook out and start building again when the zombies are either right up our tailpipe or ahead of us. Until then we will continue to be mugged off with rhetoric about being a Champions League club while at the same time we are served up an SPL level product.

 

Spot on. Sick and tired of reading about us needing the Champions League money in order to progress as a club. We had the Champions League money a few year ago for 2 years on the spin, coupled with massive transfer fees for the likes of Wanyama, Forster and more recently Van Dijk, and we have still gone backwards. The board played with fire in Lennon's last season in charge and we got away with it, as we fortunately drew the poorest team possible in Karagandy and managed to scrape through. Otherwise our problems would have started a year earlier.

 

We're a better team when we have access to the Champions League because we can attract better players, such as Van Dijk. It's the prestige that comes with the competition, raises our profile in Europe.

 

Utter nonsense! I'll back the board to the hilt. I've seen far worse boards in charge, the kellys for one. There a tad conservative in transfers at times but look at similar clubs in our position. If you don't run it this way, you get into financial problems.

 

If you back this board to the hilt you are a mug. All this "if we spend more we'll end up like Rangers" stuff is utter pish.

 

Wholeheartedly agree and it is extremely frustrating, however I think the supporters are becoming hostile to this attitude and realise it's underpinning our downward spiral. Another calamity in Europe and I feel like that hostility would reach fever pitch.

 

Why? They have kept us nicely ticking over. Insured a strong financial footing. Above all getting down the debt built up from the mon days. That's there role at the club. Ensuring we are actually functioning as a business. Only fault they have made is hiring the "Norwegian klopp."

Don't even need to spend more to end up like deidco. Just need to be badly run. Look at that fella with hearts and the problems dundee and Motherwell faced. That's why im glad we have the board we do.

 

Ronnie has done us a favour depriving the board of CL money that they won't spend.

 

You only get access to the Champions League when you do enough to get in it, starting at boardroom level. The board haven't done enough over the past few seasons, Lennon's last one included. As I said though, we were just fortunate enough to draw a shockingly bad side in Karagandy. Legia & Malmo, in my opinion, would have knocked out the team we had that beat Karagandy. Maribor I'm not so sure.

 

I agree with that as well mate. I still think being involved in the Champions League attracts a higher class of player as well.

That qualification was always going to be hard, giving how we had just sold Hooper and Wanyama, as was the following year when we'd just got a new manager. The boards overseen us twice going into our biggest games in transition. They also haven't backed the manager enough for my liking (or I suspect Neil Lennon's liking either). So the question from there is how do they turn around the horrific full from where we were 3 years ago to today?

 

Balancing the books is only 50% of their role, the other 50% is ensuring we are getting the best value for that money. In terms of management, scouting, coaching & players that's a hard argument to make.

 

* still battering on about the Norwegian Klopp :smiley-laughing002: Give it a rest Fs.

 

I'm not so sure it would. Ever since Rangers went down the tubes it seems to me there are too many fans happy to swallow the "if we spend more we'll end up like Rangers" stuff.

If there's any hostility going around after next year's Champions League qualifiers I suspect it will be aimed at Ronny Deila, not the board. They'll get off scot free again.

Yes they have indeed done a wonderful job with the balance sheet. It's just a shame that while they've been proudly boasting about their balance sheet they've overseen a drastic drop in the quality of the playing staff. When we are sitting watching us pass the ball around at 2mph and struggling to break down SPL defences we can always console ourselves with that healthy balance sheet though. That really soothes the pain and eases the frustration, doesn't it?

I thought we supported a football club not a financial institution? I couldn't give a * about the balance sheet, I want to see a good team on the park. I understand we have to work within certain financial parameters but as far as I'm concerned our board play it TOO safe.

Add to that.............

- We now have a Tory Lord(or should I say Tory *) sitting in our boardroom who votes against tax credits for some of the poorest workers in the country(which totally goes against the ethos of our club)

- We have the board dragging their feet over paying workers at Celtic Park the living wage

- We've had Peter Lawwell lying to fans about our ability to prosper without Rangers on the scene

- We have seen the board be complicit in trying to criminalise a section of our support within our own stadium

- The fact that our top man is more interested in his golf handicap than he is in what is going on at Celtic Park

...........then it is fair to say I have had my fill of the custodians currently sitting in the boardroom at Parkhead.

 

So you blame the board for the drastic drop in quality of the playing staff?

Not the clown who has been allowed to sign 19 players since he came in, who has a yearly budget 25 times that of Aberdeen, yet struggles to beat motherwell, Hearts, Partick etc, etc, how much would you trust him with to be able to dominate the spl? £20mill, £30mill?

Oh i blame the board alright, for not seeing through this impostor sooner, if you look at my old posts, i have seen his shortcomings from day 1.

He came in and changed everything overnight, pukki and boerigter straight in, griffiths and commons couldn't get a sniff until he realised they rescued him time and time again. Talked about fast flowing attacking football "teams to be scared of us because they knew what was coming" ffs

Now he changes his mind and says he needs time, it's a building job, he should have thought about that when he came in and noised up a squad that had just won the spl by 29 points, something he will never get close to.