Offical FC Shakhtar Donetsk Thread ( All Chat )

the reality is we are probably in the bottom quarter of all the CL league teams when it comes to quality, usually the technically weakest in our group by some way. The seeding is misleading. The only team we have played in all the CL campaigns of the last 7 or 8 years that was technically poorer than us were copenhagen. We do very well indeed to have such a great home record despite being less gifted but we are punching well above our weight and its very reliant on the CP crowd effect. To win away against the same considerably technically superior teams is always going to be very very rare. Its not a mystery, they are just better. As always, our main hope is that the CP affect keeps us winning there (but am waiting with fear for that bubble to burst) and that that is just enough to squeeze us through. Its ony worked once but heres hoping.

 

You perfectly understand that saying No mistakes, I meant mostly, that the good team defenders even if they make couple mistakes they are not terrible, adn you have to be REALLY good to use them.
Shahtar is not a club to follow. Spending 25 mjils on just Castillo is as stupid as it gets. You don't have to spend 40 mils to make a good team. The example is Chelsea - so much money - not too many results.

 

I'm not a moral cruisader but surely there has to be something wrong that a sports team can spend 40 million on football players whilst the countries weekly wage is aprox. 20 quid. Just thought i'd throw that in seeing as they beat us the corrupt rich * lol

 

Let's take Ajax or PSV or Shalke or Byern Leverkuzen or Lion or Hamburg...There are a lot of examples of good selection and wise money spending. Plus you guys are always in LC, because tere are just two competitive teams in Scotland. This means that you guys make at least 10 mils from LC. Plus your stadium is 60000 seats times 20 euros on average tper ticket makes it 1.2 mils per home game times 22? home games makes it 32 mils just from ticket sale counting 20 euros per ticket....You guys have money....You don't have good selection service that would be looking for future stars for cheap. Shahtar's way is stupid. They had just one Ukrainian in the starters. It's dumb, and not a good way to go, but I don't think that you guys paid 25 mils for Nakamura, but he's your leader now. Since a lot of you are stockholders, vote for better selection and transfer policy. Plus I don't think that Strachan's football is something you want - it's to ....dumb (sorry, but it the closest word:-((()

 

Unfortunately because of qualifying rounds and the odd rangers league win, we have only made the CL group stage I think 4 or 5 times in the last ten years so its not the guaranteed income you suggest. If the Scottish champions automatically qualified each year we would have had a * of a lot more money come in over that period.

 

lol @ 20 euros a game aye right.......

You ever heard of a little thing called overheads?

that money does not go far once you start paying bills. Not to mention the fact that the future stars got for a min of £5mil m8, money we just cannot afford. The eastern european teams might not have tv money but they have billionaire bank rollers, we are a PLC which makes such a thing a lot harder.

The other big leagues in Europe get shitloads of tv money that pays for their players and places like Barce and Real Madrid, they have banks willing to loan them money with no need to repay it.

Ajax and PSV, are a fair point, but the Dutch always produce technically gifted players, so their youth system produce players better suited to europe, in scotland our youths are taught more about grit and fight cause thats what it takes to win games in scotland.

Another thing that helps the other european clubs is work permits, Lyon sign loads of african players, and lesser known South Americans, they wouldnt get work permits to play in scotland. Basically our finance, football style of the country and government rules means that Celtic will always be a few steps behind the rest of europe.

 

we also have had to clear debt and we have been building a state of the art training complex and academy which has cost nearly 10 million pounds.

 

why is it countrys like france can tap their old colonys for talent without visa problems but we cant even though half the world was painted British empire red/pink on the maps a couple of grenerations ago. Surely at least commonwealth players should not have permit problems.

 

How much is a price per ticket for Celtic Park? THat was a good point. But don't you think. that it's your answer? That's exactly why, Celtic is not THAT competitive - because your players are not taught lots of things..... And your coaches are not very multifaceted

 

the french are not known for paying attention to rules

 

the probem in Scotland has been our game is full of physically fit fighters who are not that skilled or clever. I personally dont see why they bother becoming footballers. They run around and fight and basically that makes it hard to develop a more skilled calm technical game. We also play in a country where all but the very top teams pitches are very bad in winter so young players play long balls to compensate. IMO we need a lot more indoor/ all weather pitches for young players to develop on. We will never be the best cause our country is small but we should try and be like Holland.

 

Russia is the same way as Scotland. Only difference is that all the mess in football happend because of bad economic times when no one cared for football or any kind of sports. But our whether is also bad. Finally we started building indoor fields and organized lots of schools for kids and etc. Hope it will help... But the difference is that since the beginning of the soccer in Russia we played Continental type of soccer which is much smarter than Brittish but less physical. Maybe your football comes from the personality of celts like William Wallace(by the way my favorite movie) that do not retreat and follow old traditions like rugby or old traditional Brittish football

 

Sorry I really can't be bothered reading so many pages. My slant on things, and it may or not have already been stated, is that Mr. Strachan got his tactics wrong again. The number of times he's had to change in the course of a game is concerning. I knew, you knew, the wee woman next door knew, my dog knew that this was a very good team and we were fortunate to have in Paul Hartley some one who had proved he could play the defensive midfielder role in front of the back four very well. So our manager starts him wide and when the game has gone, AFTER EIGHT * MINUTES, moves him to where he plays a blinder for the rest of the game. We used to think Martin O'Neill got it wrong sometimes. Now we've got another one.

 

I have been reading through your posts and i have to admit to being more than a little bewildered as to why you have this much interest in what you see as being problems with the Celtic style of play and the standard of Scottish football in general. How do you know what our players are taught, and what players are you referring to? Players brought in from abroad, players who have come through our youth system...who exactly? Our coaches are not very mutifaceted?......Of course they are, Walter Smith has more faces than big Ben! :icon_mrgreen:

 

Laughing fRRom rReading all the bullshit herRe.
Open yourR eyes Lads
All scotish teams playing very primitive football.SPL is a joke. The example of Barclays Premiership shows the changes 've been made in England when foreign players and coaches came over and "ve brought the difference in mentality psychology. Scotland is too backwood to adopt some changes. You're still playing more rugby then soccer( hit run and fight).The level of SPL is like Championship. Because in Barclays Premiership playing more inteligent soccer.
Honestly Shakhtar is far better side.


You're the champions in drRinking Lads.
Can't affort more than 4 pints

 

First of all, hi to all football fans

Shakhtar had 2 Ukrainians in the starting lineup, not 1, not to mention their captain, who's Ukrainian, was suspended and their best goalscorer this season, whos also Ukrainian, started on the bench, seeing as he is only 19 and had no experience at this level, which is very important. But its not important. Lucescu picked the team that he thought was best on the night (both strikers he picked scored), so dropping Gladky (best this season) and Castillo (most expensive this season) was a good call after all.

Finally, I also wanted to mention something that very few western people know about Shakhtar's spendings this season. Ive read some of the posters here said "if we had 50mln to spend.... etc". Well, one of the reasons why Shakhtar spent so much this season was becuase they had some great deals on their own players who went to western leagues (i.e. Elano to Man City, Marica to Stuttgart, Matuzalem to Zaragoza, Tymoschuk to Zenit, Russia etc). All of these transfers vary from 8mln to 20mln and the total amounts to about 45-50mln. So the most that Shakhtar spent this season on players was like 2-4mln. They got it all back just for qualifying for the competition itself.
Oh, and almost forgot, all of these players were sold for much higher prices than they were bought for, some of them even joined Shakhtar for free.

P.S. Anyway, back to the game, imho the best team won on the night. It will be much harder at Celtic park - no questions about that. Good luck vs Milan!

 

Dont like your tone. Are you a hun, English or some angry French person pretending to be Ukrainian? In the SPL we are the skilled team who dont play long balls. We only resorted to that last night because we were away to a very good team. We also played like that against Spartak but played much better football in Scotland and beat them. Celtic playing at home and away is light night and day. We will beat Shaktar in Scotland just as well as you beat us in Ukraine. By the way, we almost always beat any EPL teams we meet in Europe so there is no need to hero worship those * down there in England.

 

That was really, really pathetic, guys.
I can't believe we lost to your sorry lot.
I am still hoping, though, they can handle changing their nappies, mustering up their courage - and beating the * out of the Afro-Ukranians.
PS. Was groaning inwardly all day.

 

The most interesting AND sad thing is that all the stuff that I said wasn't meant to hurt, to embarres or to offend you guys. I didn't meant to mix celtic with * I was just saying my veiw and my opinion, and some of you guys agreed. You have to admit that Celtic doesn't know how to play positional attack.

 

your posts were OK mate but there are some others who are posting here just to annoy us. Dont judge us on last nights game. We played very bad but we can play much much better. Do you realise we have the best home record in the champions league over the last few years - nearly 100% wins including against the best clubs in Europe. We are nearly always very bad away but the best in Europe at home. Check out our statistics. Our home record is superb.