LGBTQ rights.

Surely the right attributed to any person shouldn't be based on their sexuality? I don't quite see the issue.

 

Has anyone noticed on GTA 5 theres a song that sounds like a woman is just singing "gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay ,gay" over and over lol

EDIT...this is it

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDT86oNk48&t=0m10s"]Are they singing gay gay gay gay? * - YouTube[/ame]

 

I completely disagree with you on the subject, but that is a really interesting point

But to be fair, the naturalist response usually comes from the religious claim that homosexuality isn't "natural". Your point is still valid, but I guess it works both ways in that something being "natural" or not really should have little to do with any moral justification.

The argument I really don't get is the 'studies show gay people aren't as good parents as straight parents' type argument. As if that means, even if true, that they shouldn't have equality in bringing up children. I can chop stats a million ways, and I am pretty sure I could show that the quality of parenting differs in certain areas according to race, age, income, education, health, postcode, etc. But no one would ever suggest that proving people on low income are more likely to be bad parents, means the whole collective of poor people in the UK shouldn't have equal rights to bring up children. By virtue of a postcode someone may be more likely to commit a crime than average, but no one would conclude that the person shouldn't be treated equally.

Yet any arguments I hear against homosexuality and rights seem to be based either upon these kind of assumptions, or just a religious belief stated as fact. I haven't heard a single one that makes any sense to me.

 

Gay is love, gay is life.

 

It's all ogre now.

 

It's never ogre.

 

I seen that shrek video for the first time yesterday

 

Interesting article on Cliftonville flying the rainbow flag above their stadium with their club crest emblazoned on it to show that all are welcome at their club, and to send a message to the bigots among their support:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/apr/28/irish-league-champions-cliftonville-gay-rights

...Bravo I say, and would heartily support a similar initiative at Celtic Park.

 

The thing is, shouldn't it already be expected that all are welcome at Celtic? And if not, why stop at a Pride rainbow flag? What about a flag showing we welcome feminists? Black people? White people? Protestants? Midgets?

The whole thing does my head in something chronic.

 

Have you evidence of Cliftonville fans being anti-gay ?

 

The Proddies are welcome but you can * off wae the Midgets :icon_mrgreen:

 

In fairness we should be flying the Royals flag to show we are not anti-monarchy.

Maybe fly the Paratroopers flag also.

 

Why?

Homophobia seems to be one of the most prominent forms of discrimination among football fans, such to an extent that it's a rarity that a footballer ever does come out.......

Maybe the fact showing support for them "does peoples heads in" adds to the fact that it's so difficult for them to come out, because it's an attitude that seems to be quite common...

 

I just read the article. This is what it says:

In response to unionist politicians at Stormont blocking gay marriage equality in Northern Ireland and to highlight general homophobia, fans, gay and straight, flew the flag throughout the season.

Before lifting the Irish League trophy, the Gibson Cup, on Saturday in their last match of the season against north Belfast rivals Crusaders, the supporters said they hoped their example will allow other LGBT football fans to feel more comfortable at grounds across these islands.

Pedro Donald, a gay Cliftvonville fan from south Belfast, said he had wondered all season why the rainbow one was there alongside the other banners. The 48-year-old said: "It sums up a lot of what is happening at Cliftonville. People are being more forward thinking, being more 21st century, being more current. Which in general is what football needs across these islands because the attitude here is still backward in regards to sexuality or race or gender.

"It used to be said in English football that it was more 'men only' even than the British Army. So Cliftonville have led the way and that is great. When I saw the flag I was surprised because it looks out of place at the stadium. But I think most people don't bat an eyelid it's there, which is great.

"It has sent a signal to the gay community that you are welcome here. I have a rainbow flag in the Sunflower Bar, which is not a gay pub but it is there to make our place more welcoming. So, it's fantastic that the emblem is also up at Solitude."

Arthur Magee, a life-long Cliftonville and co-author of The Little Book of Belfast, said the rainbow flag's appearance demonstrated "a club that is inclusive and forward-thinking that is open to all".

Magee, whose tour guide business in the city was badly damaged by the loyalist union flag protests, said it was ironic that "the raising of another flag in this city shows that all colours and creeds are welcome at Solitude".

Brian Smyth told the Guardian he and his fellow fans came up with the idea of flying the rainbow flag of the global gay rights movement, albeit with the Cliftonville shamrock crest stencilled on to the middle of the banner, in opposition to homophobia both inside and outside the game.

"The idea came about after the failure of Stormont to pass the Marriage Equality Act last year and the anger felt by a number of us. The idea was initially discussed after our Champions League game in Glasgow [against Celtic] last July, and how football was one of the last bastions of homophobia, especially in the North.

"Lots of young men attend Irish league games, no doubt just like wider society, some may be struggling to come to terms with their sexuality and being safely able to open up, it is seen as a visual symbol of support to our friends in the LGBT community," he said.

 

Aye, I thought that may have been a step too far :smiley-laughing002:

 

It's a shame you have no respect for Celtic and its history.

 

Before I jump in and make a fool of myself - can you elaborate what you're saying?

 

I think you're misunderstanding me. I mean that the very idea that we still have to take these steps in 2014 is what does my head in.

In this day & age it should go without saying that everyone is welcome everywhere (within reason, of course). My statement about the different flags was me being facetious, and trying to highlight exactly how embarrassing it is having to take such steps in a so-called modern, open society.

 

Celtic was established by Catholic priests under the auspices and permission of the Archbishop of Glasgow. Turning Celtic into a vehicle of so-called "LGBTQ rights" would be an insult against the beliefs and faith of the early Celtic community. That doesn't mean that I want Celtic campaigning for the defence of marriage at parliament, etc. That doesn't mean that I want Celtic no to sign homosexuals to play for them, etc. It just means I don't want Celtic being hijacked by the lobby party for so-called "Gay rights".