Playing in England

why don't we just pass a hat around for them aswell.
there is no fixing Scottish football,sadly it is now a one horse race,which is not Celtics fault,it will never compete with other top leagues,celtic have out grown it,sad but true.
we need to play against at a higher standard of club weekly

 

Jesus Christ. Are people really that bothered by the lack of competition in the league that they are coming up with patronising money making schemes for our rivals?

Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd etc. can get their gate receipts all they want, as long as we get the exact same in return. We have the best away support in the country. Our rivals already make plenty from our gate receipts when we visit their stadiums.

 

Yes, pretty much.

In the current state of affairs, telling Aberdeen or Dundee Utd to challenge Celtic is like telling your local corner shop to challenge Tesco. Finance has made it all but impossible. Any way to try and readdress the financial imbalance should be considered and SD's suggestion makes sense to me.

As regards going to England, we need to move on. It isn't going to happen and it does sound a bit desperate when us fans keep going on about it.

 

If you look through my posts you will see I'm not bothered in the slightest by the lack of competition, infact I * love winning title after title.

That being said I still want to see Scottish football improve. Better teams, fuller stadiums and better players leads to better TV deals, better sponsorship and better football on show.

All of this needs to be explored for all of our sakes in this country. If we aren't going anywhere then we have to find ways of enticing punters back through the gates.

 

Lower ticket prices.

 

Yep.

Most teams probably wouldn't lose any money by lowering prices either. It would be offset by the bigger crowd and more matchday income in the form of food and programmes etc.

 

I'd agree with this.

I know Celtic was set up for charitable reasons, but this would be taking the *! Expecting Celtic to come up with ways to artificially prop up failing clubs is not only absurd and unsustainable, but is entirely counterproductive, and its exactly the kind of reliance model which has ruined Scottish clubs.

I can't but help think that coming up with these 'solutions' when it comes to 'improving' Scottish football is an exercise similar to that of rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Celtic need a lifeboat. And if any opportunity arises, such as a move to England, the club should be gone in a flash.

 

I would be happy if we started in the Conference premier league and then worked our way up

 

To be honest with you, I really couldn't give a flying * about Aberdeen or Dundee Utd or any of their fans.

Should we get the revenue from our ticket sales when we play away to Barcelona and Manchester United because they are richer than us? Of course not, and to apply this idea to Scottish football would be even more ridiculous.

When we play the likes of Kilmarnock and Motherwell away from home there is more often than not more of us than them in the stadium. I would agree entirely with this idea if Celtic were given every last penny of the £26 I and thousands of others part with when going to watch our team at Rugby Park. Until then and only then would I be happy to see Kilmarnock receive the gate receipts for the 64 supporters they take to our stadium.

We are Celtic. One of the greatest football clubs in the world. We are worthy of every single penny of revenue we receive. I have absolutely no interest of being in the business of assisting our direct competitors and their supporters, many of whom detest absolutely everything we stand for.

 

Why would we want to stay and help Scottish football progress? It's been corrupt towards us for decades Would gladly wave goodbye to the *

 

But then how does that change if we go into non-league football? Can't see that being much of a challenge. If we went in it would have to replace a team in the conference. We could cope with that.

The thing that everyone is forgetting here is, what are finances likely to be in the Champions League in say ten years?

The new deal for the Champions' League goes up between 2015-2018. So you have to wonder if that might go up again.

You also have to factor in even without this hike in champions' League money, Juventus made 65.3 Million euros last year and they only got to the quarter finals.

The deal for the TV rights will go up after 2018. The question is by how much. What they want to do is grow the market into China, India and the US.

Also, this is going to be the last deal (2015-2018) that is going to cover all digital platforms.

So across different platforms, with new advertising streams said to revolutionize everything, i think we're ok where we are.

If we went and loaned out all the players who don't get a game at Celtic, then the league could be more competitive. Question would be, just how competitive would we like the league to be? Be honest, and if that's what you want, get serious about taking the risks to help make that happen.

If you want to have a more competitive league, stop spending so much money.

But then Europe is different.

There are people wanting some form of financial fair play. That could change things.

Also the seeding system. Look at the seeding system and change that up. Then all of a sudden, you don't have the advantage of the seeding system going to the teams who have also the advantage of having the most money and the biggest resources.

Whoever wins the group gets seeded, is that also the team with the most money?
Seeding is a problem that could actually help the smaller clubs in the champions league groups if they get past the groups. But you would have to just ditch it.

Question is do the sponsors want that?

It's the same reason you'll see all the best teams, being the ones with the biggest sponsors and always getting to the final stages.

You only have to look at the World Cup to see that they clearly don't want "groups of death".

Getting into the English league would be the start of a great adventure. If it happens great, but in the meantime, we really need to support the other teams going into europe by loaning players to those clubs.

That's not an answer to the problem, but it's probably as good a place to start as any.

 

Good post.

We shouldn't be throwing money at other Scottish clubs. It's patronising & damaging to our own progress.

Loan our young players out to Aberdeen & Dundee United. It gives them first team experience in the Scottish top flight & perhaps even in Europe and gets them accustomed to the expectations placed on clubs at the top of the league.

Aberdeen & United get talented youngsters who may just separate them from the rest of the league by enough to maintain a respectable level of competition. How would Aberdeen have performed this year with a player like Tony Watt in their ranks from the start of the season? It could also be the difference between them securing Europa League football and not.

That, along with the great youth prospects coming through the youth academies of those two sides, would make the game here more competitive.

 

The fact is the clubs in England and Wales and for that matter Germany and Spain are much wealthier because their teams play in leagues that draw huge numbers of people; they can as such also sell the tv rights to more people. This creates a virtuous circle because this then enables these clubs to the lure the best players which in turn makes the leagues attractive to all ambitious players
This makes the league's better and they then attract more people and therefore more money.

The problem Celtic have is not that other clubs are richer it is more that other clubs have got more people attending and more people paying to watch on tv.

As Celtic fans you will pay a subscription to watch the BPL, la liga and the Bundesliga. But how many people in England or Wales or Spain or Germany are watching Celtic.

Celtic need to basically move to a league with more people attending and viewing.

I think the next round of tv rights for the BPL will have the option for Celtic and Rangers to join with the league increased to 22 teams.

Celtic and Rangers in the BPL makes it stronger, I also think bt have spent all that money on the CL to increase its size and do away with the Europa league.

 

Why do so many folk still seem to think playing in England will or can happen, we have been over this one so many times but the bottom line is UEFA on several occasions, the powers that be down South have said enough times this can never happen.

I think more importantly we are not wanted or welcomed in England and like it or not that is their prerogative and right to take that stance.

Norwich fans are the only ones I've met on trips to English clubs that actively stated they would love us to be in their league, * like Man Utd, Man City and Newcastle think they are to far too good to even share the same air as us let alone play us.

Unless the Premier League disbands to become a non UEFA based league this is all pie in the sky that we will play in their league.

 

All the talk recently of Celtic and Rangers[sic] joining any league together is giving me the * boak. In the last couple of days, this thread and one or two others in Celtic Chat have had far too much talk of them for my liking.

They are dead, we don't associate with dead clubs, their is no mutual attraction anymore, no more guilt by association.

 

I am a Liverpool fan and I think that Celtic would have a lot to offer in the BPL. EUFA don't have the power to refuse Scottish clubs playing south of the boarder it isn't in their remit. EUFA facilitate football across Europe for the benefit of the fan.

Like I have already pointed out Scottish fans are paying subscriptions that is making other leagues stronger. That is an injustice that I believe is not being ignored.

 

I'm not too keen on playing in the EPL, but if/when the SKY bubble bursts Id imagine they'd be keen to get us in to generate more revenue if not anything else

 

I can understand the argument that you will put forward for not wanting to play 8n the BPL but surely you must also that there are many valid arguments for joining the BPL. That ultimately outweigh the arguments for not joining.

 

UEFA would actually have nothing to do with it, if Celtic wanted to join and the English FA accepted us we would be in and that would be it.

 

Pie in the sky thinking, regurgitated so often aswell. We would all love the riches of the EPL, but it isn't our country and it isn't going to happen. That is just the unfortunate thing about playing in a smaller nation.

We would have everything to gain from this and not alot to lose, whereas the EPL don't really have anything to gain from us joining. Its already the best marketed league world wide. They already have a few world class teams and massive brands within their league. The EPL riches show no sign of abating any time soon, therefore in what way would Celtic aid any of this?