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Madeleine McCann

Discussion in 'TalkCeltic Pub' started by CrazyBhoy, Aug 12, 2007.

Discuss Madeleine McCann in the TalkCeltic Pub area at TalkCeltic.net.

  1. scootz

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    I have friends in the Portuguese police and their investigations lead them to believe that she died accidentally in or around the apartment whilst her folks were out on the ran-dan and when her body was discovered, they hid her and cried 'abduction' in an effort to deflect from their obvious neglect.

    The UK police brought over Keela and Eddie to help with the investigation (one a cadaver dog and the other a blood dog - both the most distinguished of their kind on the planet). When they searched the hotel, the McCann’s possessions, their hire car and the resort itself, their findings were widely reported as...

    1. Apartment 5 A, OC resort from which the girl disappeared

    - Cadaver odour dog
    • in the couple’s bedroom on the floor next to the wardrobe.
    • In the living room, behind the sofa, next to the lateral window of the apartment.

    2. Patio area, in front of apartment 5 A

    - Cadaver odour dog
    • in one of the flower beds, the dog handler commented upon the weakness (lightness) of the odour detected.

    3. Apartments where the rest of the group was staying

    • Nothing was found by either dog.

    4. Residence of the McCann couple at the time of the date of inspection

    • Nothing was found by either dog in the villa.

    5. In the locality of P da L

    • Nothing was found by either dog.

    6. The clothes and belongings of the McCann family

    - Cadaver odour dog
    • on two pieces of clothing belonging to Kate Healy.
    • On a piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine.
    • Possibly, on a soft toy belonging to Madeleine (cadaver odour was detected when the toy was still in the residence (on the date it was occupied by the family)).
    • Signalling was confirmed in a scenario outside the villa.

    7. In the vehicle used by the McCann family

    - cadaver odour dog
    • signalled the car key

    - blood dog

    * signalled the vehicle’s key.
    * signalled inside the vehicle’s luggage boot.

    8. In a vehicle used by a friend of the family who was staying at the same resort, coinciding for a few days.

    • Nothing was found by either dog.

    9. In all the cars used by Robert Murat and people close to him

    • Nothing was found by either dog.

    (Of a total of 10 vehicles the cadaver odour dog and the blood dog only signalled the vehicle hired by the McCann family on 27th May)."



    This basically supports the theory that she died in or around the apartment and that the parents had handled Madeleine’s dead body.

    Unfortunately, this is all classed as 'ancillary' evidence and is not enough to bring court processing (far less a realistic chance of a prosecution).

    The McCann’s went on an major offensive to say that these dogs were 'unreliable'. This despite the fact that both animals had a 100% proven record over 200 or so cases.

    I'm amazed that the Met are getting involved - particularly as it's *-all to do with them!
     
  2. Tim-Time 1888 Always look on the bright side of Life Gold Member

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    From when it started, I got the feeling they know more than they have let on. They did lie about certain things at the start ie could see the room from the pub so for that alone they should have been hammered, as if that happened here ... Na there is something seriously wrong here (obviously) the only thing is someday it will come out, but too late for that wee lass and that is the real sad part ;-( * willing she is safe somewhere.
     
  3. The67Sound

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    Certainly possible. But I don't see how you could dispose of a child's body at a busy holiday resort without it ever being discovered, or without being seen, or without accidentally giving the game away under questioning.
    Not completely impossible, but very unlikely. They would have to be extremely cool customers anyway. And why keep up all the publicity? Why write the book in that case?
     
  4. Armagh-Bhoy

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    OJ Simpson wrote a book on how he would have killed his fiance and your other lad if he did do it :smiley-laughing002:

    I think it would look more suspicious now if they didnt keep up the campagin.
    I could be completly wrong on it all, its just the concusions i have drew up about it.
     
  5. The67Sound

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    I really don't know - haven't read enough about the specifics of the investigation to form an opinion, but your interpretation is certainly possible. The thing is, being kidnapped by a stranger who then gets away completely undetected despite the publicity etc is not a very likely scenario either.
     
  6. Notorious Gold Member Gold Member

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    i would like to say she is still alive and ok but she is dead just a case of hunting for the body now in my opinion.
     
  7. Miles Platting Irish Mancunian Gold Member

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    they won't answer them. This despite promising to co-operate with the police when asking for donations.

    These are the questions and Kate didn't answer one of them

    1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
    2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)
    3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?
    4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?
    5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?
    6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?
    7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.
    8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?
    9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?
    10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?
    11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?
    12. Who contacted the authorities?
    13. Who took place in the searches?
    14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?
    15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
    16. What does 'we let her down' mean?
    17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?
    18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?
    19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?
    20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?
    21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?
    22. Did you call Sky News?

    23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?
    24. Did you ask for a priest?

    25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

    26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

    27. What was your behaviour that night?

    28. Did you manage to sleep?

    29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

    30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

    31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

    32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

    33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

    34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

    35. What is your medical specialty?

    36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

    37. Did you work every day?

    38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

    39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

    40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

    41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

    42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

    43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

    44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

    45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

    46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

    47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

    48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

    A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER

    Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

    A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'
     
  8. greengrocer

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    If those questions were not answered, why wasn't she charged? They sound like questions that if you refused to answer you would be easily charged and suspected guilty. IMO opinion anyway.
     
  9. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    Her and both him refused to comment during interview,if it was my daughter and I had nothing to hide then,I would answer every question until my last breath
     
  10. muffitO'tea

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    This.
    Why the * wouldn't you if your child goes missing? I'd be in a blind panic spilling the details out.

    They're a shifty pair.
     
  11. greengrocer

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    Both then. Why were the both not charged? No saying this to defend them, I'm just saying of that we're anyone else they would be charged. Simple
     
  12. Armagh-Bhoy

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    The media would have went into hysterics if they had to be charged, they where already blaming the portugese police of not doing their job never mind what they would have said if they charged the parents.
     
  13. liammcdowell

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    The dogs and the parents not answering any questions alone are enough to make my mind up. But to be honest, just looking at them, Kate in particular, it scares me in a sense, she's just devoid of any emotion, dead behind the eyes. She looks like the sort of woman who could kill her child and get away with it.

    Same old story with disappearances though, middle class white girl disappears, parents have 'connections' and the case is never closed. If the McCanns were the Guttierezs then we'd of heard about it for a day or two tops.
     
  14. faw cough Gold Member Gold Member

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    I hope and pray they find the young girl.

    Sort out the faults with the parent's afterwards.
     
  15. AD1967

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    I'd be very surprised if she is actually still alive and even more surprised if they ever find her. To be honest, I hope for her own sake that she doesn't ever return if she is still alive. Her life will be totally ruined and the media will follow her everywhere for the complete wrong reasons.
     
  16. liammcdowell

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    I think the one thing that is most certain in all of this is the wee girl is long dead.

    If it was a legit kidnapping they'd of just killed her with the worldwide appeal to find her.

    Or, as most people think, she died and the parents know all about it.
     
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  18. dmccourt95

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    From the questions it sounds like the Portuguese think the did it and I wouldn't be surprised
     
  19. Gyp Rosetti Gold Member

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    I don't think they did it,I think something happened to the little girl in the apartment,then I feel they covered it up because they had left her and the other 2 kids alone,I just don't get what went through their heads leaving kids that age alone to basically go drinking,if that was a couple from a lesser background than a doctor and a surgeon they would be in jail IMO :38:
     
  20. dmccourt95

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    Probably, its quite poor that they would leave their children alone, they should have either left it and stayed in or took the children with them, would make sense that it was a cover up as she said they let her down, which would imply that they felt guilty about their neglect leading to the girls death