What would America be like if Confederates had won the Civil War.

Expanding on your idea, how do you think it would have affected 'Wall Street'?

If we go by your theory (I think), Wall Streets influence would not be as strong, neither would the influence of Rothschilds or Rockefeller families. This is particularly interesting because it means maybe the depression could have been prevented. It also has a domino effect in the fact the U.S.A. would not have as much of a stranglehold over the global finances that they do now.

Could wars have been prevented? Corruption?

I love questions like this. Interesting to imagine.

 

If Gettysburg in July 1863 had been won by the Confederates the war would have ended 2 years earlier as there would have been no one to stop them marching into Washington.
Lee * up by marching 1 mile across open ground straight into the Union cannonade.
They were decimated.
That effectively finished the war for the Confederacy.
At least that's what i think.

 

My point (albeit not very well put) would be that Mexico wanted more of Southern California, which sided more with the confederacy (pro-secessionist) than the union, as they wanted an independant state.

As the theoretical question is asking "What would America be like if Confederates ahd won the Civil War"

 

it was a war for independece - the confederated states of america had their own president, capital, etc. Hard to tell but I think there would have been more, smaller wars between the two over the rest of the land in the west. Possibly the united states (north) would have tried to push for land north into canada.

And since the whole disagreement started over individual states' rights to pass laws and govern themselves vs. the federal government (remember emancipation was a federal law, and some individual states didn't want it), it's possible the confederated states would have turned out less like one country and more like the european union - a much looser collection of individual states

 

Hehe

 

worse.

Spike Lee did a movie called CSA which was a kind of dark comedy, also there was a great alternate history series by Harry Turtledove about this CSA and USA splitting apart and went all the way through to WW2

 

The war started over slavery, states rights was a minor issue and was about the rights of the states to own slaves, and it was a Rebellion not a war of Independence, the south wasn't a colony or occupied land they were equal partners in the government which they rebelled against and attacked.

 

Cant wait for Jorge's post

 

I think it would be very unlikely that wall street would hold the power it did. The south was not as industrial and not as urbanised.

It means the US would have remained agricultural for longer which may have led to less economic slumps based on money markets, but more based on the food prices, harvests, etc.

 

I think it might have been a cross between Dukes Of Hazzard, The film Southern Comfort and the series The Beverley Hillbillies.

 

The Civil war was a sad time. Both sides were wrong, and arguably both sides "lost". The North lost in terms of the casualties (hundreds of thousands) brought on by the war and the massive cost of the war.

The South lost in terms of again the hundreds of thousands of casualties and the implosion and thievery done to their economy (carpet bagging) after the civil war. It would take the south many, many decades to "recover" from the Civil war. This is, without any revision to history. I'm talking about the way things stand today.

Both sides were wrong. Lincoln was wrong because he was a despot with absolutely no regard to the constitutional rights of those in the South, nor any desire to peacefully resolve the slavery issue. Which could have been very easily peacefully resolved. To purchase the freedom of the slaves from the states would have cost much less than the war did itself. The farmers could then either re-hire the slaves (which they ended up doing anyway), or keep them on as tenant farmers (which they also ended up doing after the war).

The South was wrong because they should have constitutionally challenged the Federal government and Lincoln more with the 10th amendment. This would have made much more sense than leading a violent insurrection and tarnishing 94 years of history of the Union. Obviously slavery is morally reprehensible. However, there should have been an economic, instead of violent approach, to freeing the slaves.

I believe the war was less to do with slavery than it was the heavy hand of the federal government bearing down on the States. The only thing that the confederacy had right was that the States, according to Thomas Jefferson, were supposed to have more power than the Federal government.

How would things be different if they won? I think the United States would still be a super power today, maybe with a few tweaks. Slavery would have gone on for a few more decades, but not for long. Most of the leaders of the Confederacy were actually anti-slavery. But there would be some drastic differences, at least for awhile. States would be more like little countries. However, the federal military would have remained intact. So they'd be more like small countries, in my opinion, guarded by one, large military. The federal government would have been smaller, but as all governments do, it would probably eventually grow to its current size and structure today, unfortunately. Would the United States have gotten involved in the first world war? Probably. The second? Definitely, if history repeated itself, and Japan attacked Pearl Harbor (granted that the US still annexed Hawaii in 1898). I think that instead of having one, large, "wall street" capitalist structure, though, that the United States would have competing local economies, between the states, at least for awhile. This could have been arguably better.

Other than that, really, who knows? It would have been sad to see the end of 94 years of history as "The United States of America". The way Lincoln went about "preserving the Union", however, was inherently wrong. He was a dictator and one of the worst Presidents of all time. Still not as bad as Obama, though.

 

John Brown CSC Jorge.

* state's rights. Kill slave owners

 

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I just knew that this thread would devolve into Southern Bashing at one point. Its not hard to know why the deep south is so economically depressed to this day when you read up on The Reconstruction

 

Harry Turtledove's series is simply awesome. I would highly suggest reading at least the first few that take you up to the end of World War 1.

 

this.

 

Jorge in great post shocker!

 

Terrific post my man.

I believe abe also passed laws to allow him to jail anyone who disagreed with him without trial.

 

Seriously guys,you really so often open idiotic threads like this? :smiley-laughing002: