Tony Watt

So? It's another club getting shot of him, despite his talent and the fans liking him.

Do you honestly believe there's no problem with Tony Watt?

 

Like the reporter said, he's a player who requires a certain type of manager to get the best out of him. I hate to say it, but if he'd been a Rangers player under Walter Smith & Archie Knox he'd probably have thrived.

Maybe I'm showing my age, but I remember a time when football was full of talented mavericks who weren't "model professionals". Watt is such a player.

At the age he is now, he is who he is. Anyone who signs him knows his track record, they know his personality.

I'll say again though, give me Tony Watt acting like a * now & then over model professionals like Scepovic, Pukki & Boerrigter any day of the week.

 

Well we don't know that yet, because so far, every manager he has worked under has encountered problems with him.

 

So he might have been of use to anybody 20/25 years ago? Fat load of good that does.

What type of manager? What type of manager has he had success under and not ruined his chances and been shipped out the door?

He's not a maverick mate, he's a talented player who is ruining his chances of becoming anymore.

He's not a Ronaldinho who went out and banged burds, partied like * and dished out genius after genius on a Saturday. * he's not even an Adriano who looked like he could be one of the greatest before he decided he didn't need to work at football. He's certainly not like an Antonio Cassano or even a Mario Ballotelli.

You say that like there aren't players like that around anymore. They are just viewed upon as screw your nut ffs, they have an epic opportunity to make something of themselves. Even Ronny up there, he had 4 years at his blistering best before his lifestyle caught up with him.

 

Mate I was a few years below him in school and from the stories i've heard and first hand experience I can say that he is a grade A *, I really doubt he will amount to anything more than he already has.

 

He may not be a Ronaldinho or Ballotelli (let's be honest, if he was he wouldn't have been with us long regardless of if we wanted to keep him or not), but I still rate him higher than a Scepovic, Boerrigter, Pukki or Balde.

I'd happily have him back at the club right now. No problem.

 

I wish he was still at the club because it would mean he isn't a complete roaster.

Do you think all signs are pointing towards him having a succesfull career?

 

It depends what you term successful really. In a world where most guys from this part of the world with attitude problems end up either in jail, out of work or in a minimum paying job at best I'd say he's a success.

Could he make more of his career if he didn't have the personal issues he does? Of course.

But the same could have been said of Gazza, Ronaldinho or any of the others you want to mention. You have to account for the human element sometimes, and not everyone is going to have the mentality or temperament of a Paul McStay.

Where it matters for me is what he does when you put him on a football park, and tell him to go get the ball and score a goal. He seems to be pretty decent at that (certainly far more decent that some of the * we've persevered with over the years), so I wouldn't have sold him.

Aye, he'd have likely never made it as far as he could have had he had both the footballing ability and the mental attributes to go with it, but he'd have still been a pretty tidy squad player.

As for telling him to screw the nut, sometimes that just isn't possible. I knew * who ended up in jail and majorly * up because they didn't screw the nut.

People will be people.

 

Think you having to compare him with criminals to stretch his career into the 'succesful' territory tells it's on story.

 

Well, what constitutes successful then? Being our first-choice striker? Moving on to play in the EPL?

I'd say considering his flaws he's done not too badly thus far at a decent level.

 

Making the most of the ability that you have for me.

He's well short of that at the moment.

 

Totally bizarre argument Daibhi. The fact that so many managers were desperate to get rid of such a supposedly talented player says everything.

Really reminds me of when Derek Riordan was at Celtic and loads of fans on here were giving WGS pelters for not playing him when he'd come on occasionally with 15 mins to go and score the odd goal. Within 2 years his football career was effectively over. Total waste.

Watt's the same. If you say he is a success as he's earning 4k a week for a 22 year old then yes, comparatively he is. But in truth, if he had screwed the nut on, he could have had 4 glorious years at Celtic before getting a big money move to the EPL, be on 80 grand a week and be his country's main striker. Success is relative.

 

It's also worth remembering in this instance that he's not been shipped out for unruly behaviour or anything like that.

He's been playing games, but simply hasn't been able to regain his early form since he was out for almost a month with an injury.

There's absolutely zero evidence (beyond a training ground incident with the former manager in August, after which he went on to play in a lot of games) to suggest he's been moved on for "not * the nut".

I've done a fair bit of digging and the general consensus from both London and Cardiff is that he's simply lost form and the new manager doesn't like the look of him. No mention of any unruly behaviour, is there?

 

You don't ship out players outside the transfer window for just losing form.

 

You have any concrete info that I've missed then?

 

Nah, it's speculation as you well know but you can keep saying that Watt isn't the problem, everybody else is.

 

I'll take a wild guess and say you didn't speak to any of his managers, team mates or coaching staff.
Did this digging consist of Google and football forums?

 

The general consensus seems to be that he's being moved on to try and reduce the wage bill. Apparently they're looking to shift Igor Vetokele as well, with Bolton looking to take him on loan.

There's also chat that Charlton fans are due a demonstration against the board, claiming they only care about the bottom line and not results, which is why they're happy to loan out their relatively high earners to sides who are competing in the same league as them.

 

I'd be very surprised if Watt is one of their highest earners. He's a young guy whose been shoved from pillar to post riddled with attitude problems.

The full fact you find it a positive that it's been 3 months since the last report of him being a * should tell you a lot mate.

There's mavericks and then there's wasters. Tony Watt's dangling dangerously close to the latter, he needs to grow up. There's a couple of roads ahead for him right now, the Griffiths route or the Riordan route. I know what one I think he'll choose.

 

Does that not work both way's? It seems manager's require a certain type of player, and Watt has failed miserably practically everywhere he's been..

Some maverick..